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Comparing the Ownership Cost of the Corolla Altis (UPDATED)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-87021828946852605692019-09-12T18:34:25.616+08:002019-09-12T18:34:25.616+08:00I think it's because the test was mostly done ...I think it's because the test was mostly done on a highway, not in a city (EDSA, C5, Zapote, Mindanao Ave, etc) where we spend around 4 hours or more each day in stop-stop-stop-go traffic. <br /><br />And yes, they only covered the 1st three years in maintenance, probably to make Mazda look good (they aren't as reliable and PMS costs way more the following years).Diwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03479219511672858240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-56184605919749896392019-09-12T11:37:13.115+08:002019-09-12T11:37:13.115+08:00So this comparison is only for new vehicles for 3 ...So this comparison is only for new vehicles for 3 years? Because as far as I know, Mazda's PMS after year 3 is very expensive, assuming you still go for PMS at dealersbye_ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07114238295777465437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-48900313917591153132019-09-11T17:39:00.010+08:002019-09-11T17:39:00.010+08:00The data is waaayy off.. how did a Mazda 1.5 and a...The data is waaayy off.. how did a Mazda 1.5 and a Civic 1.8 achieve more than 22 km/l while the Corolla 1.6 can only achieve 16 km/l. I am not blowing smoke here and I am speaking from experience. I have an HR-V that has a 1.8l engine and CVT, same as with that Civic, car weight is not to different and by experience on mixed city and highway, the best it can do is 11 or 12, and pure Hi-way on a 14 to 15, same as what the Honda salesman said. Then I also had a 1.0 Liter Fiesta DCT, the best it has done is 18 to 19. So there is no way a Civic 1.8 or Mazda 1.5 can ever reach that and if the author is getting this data from DOE, then he should have known better from experience because I believe he has driven and tested a lot of cars and is more aware of the REAL numbers.<br /><br />I am not to defend any cars or this Hybrid from Toyota, but there a lot of inexperienced people who read this articles and will be put off with such numbers. From his article he admits that the numbers came for DOE economy run but that is exactly my point, if we are going to rely on agency or car company to tell us what it is then what is the purpose of individual reviewers who should tell us what it REALLY is... rather than parroting data from DOE or Car company why not use data from real experience because that is what people wanted to know... The 1.8HV is not yet real world tested, that is forgiven, but the Civic, Mazda and it's outrageous mileage can already be disputed.<br /><br />Again, no offense to the author, just constructive criticism.angel onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16875282524664941746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-64574627959135677582019-09-11T17:22:07.354+08:002019-09-11T17:22:07.354+08:00I don't disagree with that statement. I've...I don't disagree with that statement. I've driven the Mazda6, and it's worlds apart in driving satisfaction and feel compared to the Accord, Camry, and Peugeot 508 (which itself is better driving than the others, and my friend's one is pretty reliable 2 years running).Diwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03479219511672858240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-57062007610963476152019-09-11T07:43:36.427+08:002019-09-11T07:43:36.427+08:00If you know your stuff, there are some stores in b...If you know your stuff, there are some stores in banawe selling original parts. Still a bit(20%) more expensive than toyota/mitsu but I agree with your statement if you'll be confined to the dealership. Still, being happy for 3 good years with an exciting and desirable compact car that makes you feel special everyday is a lot better than in a boring one. The special feeling driving your mazda 3 everyday is priceless.<br /><br />That said, <br />Toyota buyers= go for the most practical choice<br />Mazda buyers= foregoes a bit of practicality for more satisfaction<br /><br />Excited for that big compact car comparison. Odaenathushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02644535684989112665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-69187804194178694432019-09-11T07:38:40.598+08:002019-09-11T07:38:40.598+08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Odaenathushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02644535684989112665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-38545010609128249122019-09-11T01:03:29.173+08:002019-09-11T01:03:29.173+08:00Wait after the Yojin 3 expires, and it's time ...Wait after the Yojin 3 expires, and it's time for the Mazda's cost to skyrocket. I know people with Mazda3s, Mazda6s and one with a CX-9 who stand by that fact.Diwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03479219511672858240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-32611774933421193712019-09-11T01:02:26.848+08:002019-09-11T01:02:26.848+08:00@YellowBlue - Respectfully disagree. I for one wil...@YellowBlue - Respectfully disagree. I for one will take advantage of it because, as Uly said, the hybrids are much better and should be revisited when it comes to city driving. Not to sound condescending, but I doubt it that, given our nature to disregard new trends in favor of old ones (DIESEL 4EVER, CROSSWIND/ADVENTURE PA RIN, CIVIC STILL DA BES), Grab operators will bother trying out hybrids here.<br /><br />Though when I went to other countries, yes Uber/Lyft/similar apps use hybrids instead.Diwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03479219511672858240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-45638143493057561012019-09-10T14:37:01.878+08:002019-09-10T14:37:01.878+08:00Just get a diesel car such as Accent crdi if you w...Just get a diesel car such as Accent crdi if you want to save on fuel. Mileage is 12-15 kpl in the city and you don't have to replace the battery in 5-8 years which could cost hundreds of thousands, wiping out your savings in fuel.Yamatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08349484441199869221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-2633674337440396972019-09-10T14:35:51.548+08:002019-09-10T14:35:51.548+08:00indeed, cant wait for you guys to do the full revi...indeed, cant wait for you guys to do the full review soon for the hybrid and make the conclusion if its really good for its price vs the competition. It's an exciting time in the automotive industry. :DJohn_Weakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03089272939008394274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-82327196926109200652019-09-10T13:36:25.103+08:002019-09-10T13:36:25.103+08:00I agree, compared to other countries, here it'...I agree, compared to other countries, here it's just really based on SRP and nothing else.Alemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05225633834264447219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-68511353771927091982019-09-10T12:37:21.299+08:002019-09-10T12:37:21.299+08:00For the sake of this comparison, we had to rely on...For the sake of this comparison, we had to rely on the DOE fuel economy run figures so that all cars are more or less evenly matched. Rest assured, this is actually something good to re-visit once we get to test the Corolla Hybrid in the city! :-)Ulysses Anghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06863291552170192774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-68050859169825022012019-09-10T10:46:25.427+08:002019-09-10T10:46:25.427+08:00Agreed...this comparison is worth revisiting once ...Agreed...this comparison is worth revisiting once I get to drive the Hybrid and put it through the same conditions as the Civic and the Mazda3.Ulysses Anghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06863291552170192774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-87973398472432763032019-09-10T10:41:40.159+08:002019-09-10T10:41:40.159+08:00Most of these cars will live in the city. The DOE...Most of these cars will live in the city. The DOE fuel economy test you quoted is for controlled highway driving. In real world city driving, the gas powered Civic, 3 and Altis would average 8-10 kpl. Hybrid cars are more efficient in the city since they charge on braking and can easily achieve 22 kpl. So if you do most of the driving in the city, you can save at least 50K a year on gas assuming 20Tkm mileage per year.Soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04267217525225092177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-54236354234593183492019-09-10T09:43:34.271+08:002019-09-10T09:43:34.271+08:00It does get 50 percent excise tax.It does get 50 percent excise tax.Ulysses Anghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06863291552170192774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-17316394176092413432019-09-10T09:43:12.321+08:002019-09-10T09:43:12.321+08:00Unfortunately, Toyota hasn't worked with any i...Unfortunately, Toyota hasn't worked with any insurance company to lower the cost of insurance (sadly, something they overlooked with the introduction of TSS). Typically, insurance values are dictated more or less by the SRP...so expect them to have more or less the same sort of premium.Ulysses Anghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06863291552170192774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-58352308456803223142019-09-10T09:03:08.890+08:002019-09-10T09:03:08.890+08:00hybrid vehicles should get a tax break from the go...hybrid vehicles should get a tax break from the govt as well as lower insurance premiums if not, people will just stick to diesel or cheap sub compactstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00354672955716704821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-79703616668995265472019-09-10T07:49:05.933+08:002019-09-10T07:49:05.933+08:00Every owner should also factor in the yearly cost ...Every owner should also factor in the yearly cost of INSURANCE.Alemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05225633834264447219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-19619734808139456762019-09-10T03:36:00.571+08:002019-09-10T03:36:00.571+08:00The perceptions of low maintenance for toyotas are...The perceptions of low maintenance for toyotas are a bluff. Still mazda 3 > Forte > Altis > CivicOdaenathushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02644535684989112665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-20446601356741502382019-09-10T03:09:51.146+08:002019-09-10T03:09:51.146+08:00The only group of users that could take advantage ...The only group of users that could take advantage of the hybrid premium are the Grab operators.YellowBluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14633305452486400038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7521223446245210239.post-50463834380282550672019-09-10T01:11:34.379+08:002019-09-10T01:11:34.379+08:00So the hybrid is targeted at those who travel a lo...So the hybrid is targeted at those who travel a lot; that is, managers, directors or people who drive cars from, "nearby" provinces (eg: Cavite, Bulacan), or, "far" Metro Manila places (eg: Valenzuela, Las Pinas) - In other words, places where a lot are located thanks to cheaper houses - to the business districts of Makati, Taguig, Eastwood, etc.<br /><br />We spend around 3-4 hours of our lives every day in traffic. I want to think that getting to that break even value should be quick.<br /><br />And hopefully, we get a more direct comparison for the Hybrid, such as the Honda Civic RS Turbo, the Mazda3 2.0 and the Kia Forte Turbo.Diwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03479219511672858240noreply@blogger.com