Tuesday, January 31, 2017

Review: 2017 Honda Civic 1.8 E


Ah, the 2017 Civic. Honda is certainly putting a lot of attention back to the compact car segment because it’s a winner in every sense of the word. It’s sleek, well packaged, and ten times more thought of than the model it replaces. And while the vast majority of attention has been taken over by the RS Turbo, the base variant, the 1.8 E, deserves more likes, mentions, and shares. Why? Because it’s actually the better value of the two Civic variants.

Getting to the heart of the matter, the Civic 1.8 E offers surprisingly good pace. Though the 1.8-liter normally aspirated four-cylinder carried over from the previous Civic and shared with the HR-V don’t exactly shout “sporty performance”, you’ll be hard-pressed to notice 90 percent of the time. Despite being paired with a potentially fun-sapping CVT, there’s actually power even from the low-end. Whether you’re just tapping lightly or burying the throttle halfway, the Civic goes from stoplight to stoplight, Makati intersection to Makati intersection with ease and smoothness. Even when you find yourself cruising on the expressway, you’ll wonder why you’ll have pay for the additional premium for that turbocharged engine.




It’s only when you get to the last 10 percent where the 141 horsepower output starts to feel, well, slow. Floor the throttle or command an overtaking maneuver and you can imagine the engine telling you: “Seriously? You want me to do what?” a split-second before the CVT shuttles its ratios and drones the heck out of the engine. The engine’s sweet spot is so narrow that anything close to spirited driving produces this result. Paddle shifters would have helped, but there’s nada on this Civic. Meanwhile, turning off the ECON gives more punch at the expense of smoothness (the CVT tends to hold revs long). Still, tune into your more practical side and the 1.8 E does 8.78 km/L—some 15 percent better mileage than the RS Turbo in heavy traffic.

While the Civic 1.8 E won’t exactly win you over with its straight line performance, it shares the same solid foundation equating to a tremendously good driving experience. The platform itself is solid, damping out any unwanted noise, harshness, or vibration. Drive it through rough patches of road (including that truck lane on C5), and the Civic takes everything on with aplomb and composure. Even with the tires slightly overinflated (35 PSI instead of the factory recommended 32 PSI) it glides well enough to cosset even the pickiest passengers to sleep. With the exception of the noticeable tire noise from the Hankooks, it’s easily one of the quietest Hondas ever.




 Apart from improving the riding comfort, the Civic also has good road manners. The steering ratio can and will take you by surprise, especially when executing parking maneuvers, but it gifts this big-sized Civic agility. Enter into a curve and it turns obediently. Some body roll is built into the chassis, necessitating a small steering correction, but the Civic still manages to conduct itself neatly. Thankfully, that agility doesn’t make the Civic more tiring to drive. As the speeds go up, the steering and suspension tightens up making it comfortable long distance cruiser as well. If there’s one complaint, it’s the lack of driver feedback. Though there are touches of brilliance here and there, it feels disconnected most of the time.

Although enthusiasts will surely clamor for more driving feedback, there’s no question that the Civic’s an ergonomic delight. The 1.8 E loses the convenience of the powered driver’s seat, but that’s no big thing. Finding the most comfortable driving position is easy thanks to the multitude of adjustments to the seats and steering column. The seats themselves feel less supportive than the leather ones in the RS Turbo, but they offer enough bolstering and support to withstand hours in traffic nonetheless. Visibility is also good, most especially so in the front where the thin A-pillars and hood bulges (that act as corner markers) make slotting the Civic in and out of tight spaces easy.




Now, if there’s one thing Honda should consider improving, it’s the addition of physical buttons or controls for the audio. It’s a step up for them to do so with the climate control, but adding rotary knobs or at least tactile physical buttons to the volume at least would have made things a lot less complicated. As it is, the touchscreen feels slightly laggy and the electrostatic volume control on the steering wheel doesn’t help either.

Style-wise the dashboard is laid out for easy operation rather than outright style. Materials as well as fit and finish have been upped from before, but there are still pockets of hard plastics poking out here and there. Overall, the cabin feels durable and well-wearing though there are some bits like the interior door handles that show noticeable paint chipping and this particular unit has done less than 4,000 kilometers. That criticism aside, all’s well in here: there’s an abundance of room for both front and rear occupants while also offering good storage for items like sunglasses, loose change, and even smartphones. There’s just one cup holder upfront, but again you’re supposed to be driving a car, not drinking in it.




Being the entry-level variant, the 1.8 E has less equipment compared to the flagship RS Turbo. That’s a given. But surprisingly, you’re not feeling robbed in anyway. With the exception of a leather steering wheel, which should have been standard in 2017, it’s still got automatic climate control, full-colored TFT gauges with animations and stuff, automatic LED headlights, cruise control, and an Android-based touchscreen infotainment system with Bluetooth and smartphone mirroring.

Plus, almost a year on after its Philippine launch, the Civic remains a head turner. Though some have criticized the design to be fussy, with a mismatched front and rear end, it’s still unique and eye-catching. The design also manages to play up the size advantage, exaggerating its girth, especially the length and width. The front does well to project elegance thanks to its wide, confident face and a chrome solid wing grille that’s been pushed out to the edges. Meanwhile, at the back, it’s sporty with its fastback roofline and C-shaped taillights. Say what you want about the design, but there’s no doubt that this Civic commands your attention.



Although most new Civic buyers would surely wish to have an RS Turbo parked in their garage, the 1.8 E is more than enough car. Unlike other base variants, it actually feels like a complete package. Stuck in the confines of city traffic, this base model Civic performs just as well as its sportier, turbocharged sibling. And even if you occasionally need to go up Baguio or go down to Batangas, this car is more than capable. With a solid foundation and good equipment, it surely doesn’t feel scrimped down. This is the every man’s Civic, our Civic.

2017 Honda Civic 1.8 E
Ownership 2017 Honda Civic 1.8 E
Year Introduced 2016
Vehicle Classification Compact Sedan
The Basics
Body Type 4-door Sedan
Seating 5
Engine / Drive F/F
Under the Hood
Displacement (liters) 1.8
Aspiration Normally Aspirated
Fuel Delivery EFI
Layout / # of Cylinders I4
BHP @ rpm 141 @ 6,500
Nm @ rpm 174 @ 4,300
Fuel / Min. Octane Gasoline / 91~
Transmission CVT
Cruise Control Yes
Fuel Economy @ Ave. Speed 8.78 km/L @ 16 km/h
Dimensions and Weights
Length (mm) 4,633
Width (mm) 1,799
Height (mm) 1,416
Wheelbase (mm) 2,700
Curb Weight (kg) 1,239
Suspension and Tires
Front Suspension Independent, MacPherson Strut
Rear Suspension Independent, Multi-link
Front Brakes Vented Disc
Rear Brakes Disc
Tires Hankook Ventus S1 Noble 2 215/55 R 16 H (f & r)
Wheels Alloy
Safety Features
Airbags 2
Anti-Lock Brakes (ABS) Yes
Traction / Stability Control Yes
Parking Sensors No, with Reverse Camera
Other Safety Features No
Exterior Features
Headlights LED
Fog Lamps Yes, Front
Auto Lights Yes
Rain-sensing Wipers No
Interior Features
Steering Wheel Adjust Tilt/Telescopic
Steering Wheel Material Urethane
Seating Adjustment Manual
Seating Surface Fabric
Folding Rear Seat Yes, 60/40
On-Board Computer Yes
Convenience Features
Power Steering Yes
Power Door Locks Yes
Power Windows Yes
Power Mirrors Yes
Climate Control Yes
Audio System Stereo
CD
MP3
USB
Bluetooth
HDMI
# of Speakers 6
Steering Controls Yes

74 comments:

  1. for this price, or rather get the highest trim honda city.

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  2. There's a noticeable knocking sound when you cold start the car. At least for the 1.8 E. I've tried other cars from the dealer too and they also had it. Also, there's an on and off rattling sound coming from the front doors when driving on a rough surface. Hope to see if other owners have this as well.

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    1. The knocking sound upon start up could just be the intakes/exhaust going up to operating temperature? As long as it disappears it's fine.

      As for the rattling sound...even the demo unit had that. The rattling though didn't come from the doors, more like the dashboard on the left (driver's) side.

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    2. Thanks for the prompt response Ulysses! The knocking sound disappears when the engine is warm already. Also when you start the engine when it's warm you don't hear the sound. When I compared it to the other new civics at the casa they also sounded the same. Slight knocking when the engine is warm only when the hood is up or at the top of the hood where it meets the windshield but I guess that's the normal sound of the engine already. Louder knocking on a cold start that goes faster if you press on the gas.

      Same rattling sound on mine. The front doors also produce a rattling tin can like sound. Honda tried to adjust the door stopper and if it's loose the rattling sound is almost continuous and they just tightened it and the sound disappeared. Don't want them to open the lining first though since it's still new.

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    3. thats what the CivicX PH calls the woodpecker sound. accdg to them, seems like its coming from the VSC module. i saw it when i tried researchin on the car since i almost bought one.

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    4. Exactly sounds like a woodpecker in action!! Do you have a link to that forum? I've been reading the 70+ page forum of civicx about it but it's from the US, I think, though no fix was given except from one user from Thailand who said something with the transmission was replaced. Frustrating to hear that Honda doesn't know about this.

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  3. Would have been nice if they brought in the hatchback.

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  4. Hi Uly, im planning to get my first car this month. How does this variant go against the 2017 mazda 1.5 skyactiv and the 2.0 variant?

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    1. Mazda 3 1.5 < Honda Civic 1.8 < Mazda 3 2.0. The 80k difference between the Mazda 3 2.0 and the Civic 1.8 is well worth it, look at the specs, equipment, and add the Yojin 3 to that.

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    2. 155k difference. As per checking with their SRPs in this site.

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    3. Personally, I'd rank them as:

      1. Mazda3 Speed
      2. Mazda3 2.0 R
      3. Honda Civic RS
      4. Honda Civic 1.8 E
      5. Mazda 3 1.5 V

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    4. ^Best ranking ever.

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    5. The only letdown in the Mazda 3 is that awfully useless navigation sd card.

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  5. You forgot to talk about the Android Auto and Apple Carplay integration. I recon those features should be taken into consideration also.

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    1. Talked about those features in a review with the RS. Since I don't have Android Auto or CarPlay installed, I cannot comment on how it works. Bummer though that MirrorLink turns itself off when you're moving. You can only access maps, etc. when the car is in Park and the handbrake engaged.

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    2. I decided to get the Civic over the Mazda because of this. They should make it 'officially' available for download and use here in the country.

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    3. there's a bypass now available to have mirrorlink working even if you're moving :)

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  6. unpopular opinion but on stop and go and driving up a mountain road on really tight corners, this feels livelier than the RS. on the RS, engine response of the CVT 1.5 is slow and weak, before the boost kicks in, mabagal siya. so on tight corners where there are lots of braking, matagal pumalo ung boost.

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    1. you're expecting an ALS from a cheap Japanese car? lol

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    2. This is anything but cheap

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    3. Honda and Toyota PH overprices their products and skimps on equipment and quality due to the strong cult followers which will buy a Honda or Toyota even if there are better options.

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    4. dumbass, did i say it should have an ALS? the comment was just a comparison between the RS and the 1.8. due to the turbo lag on the RS, on certain roads, the 1.8 feels livelier. that was a simple statement.

      to correct your statement "...expecting an ALS from a mass produced car?"

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    5. then why do you whine about the turbo lag?
      expecting the turbo to be passive? lol
      dumbass.

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  7. Ully for the 1.8e is it all colours are available? Or pay extra for other colors. Thanks

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    1. Cosmic Blue Metallic, Midnight Burgundy Pearl, Lunar Silver Metallic, White Orchid Pearl, Rallye Red, and Modern Steel Metallic.

      You pay extra for the White Orchid Pearl.

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  8. Does this civic come with a "sequential" mode like the Altis 1.6V?

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  9. Sir uly how would you compare the all new subaru impreza vs civic 1.8? Would you recommend taking the civic for those who are budget conscious or would you rather ask them to save more money for the later car. Thanks a lot.

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    1. Well, there's a big price gap between the all-new Impreza (P 1.380M) and this particular Civic 1.8 E (1.093M).

      If I had a budget that tops off at P 1.1M, I'd actually go for the Civic 1.8 E. I'd skip the Mazda3 1.5 V and even the HR-V.

      However, once you bring up the budget to P 1.4M, the choice becomes harder. The RS as it is, is just too expensive for the features that you get. That's why I consider the Mazda3 2.0 to be the better value in that bracket. The Impreza will also be there at the top or near the top (a full test drive is needed), because it's packed with tech.

      So now, I throw the question back to you: what's your budget and are you going financing or cash payment?

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    2. Thank you sir. Will look forward to your impreza test drive 1st. My budget is around 1.1mish however if impreza is the best choice then i might save some more bucks. Thanks!

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  10. Hi speaking of cash payment! is that any fix percentage discount or it depends on the dealer.

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    1. From my experience, it depends on the dealer, but as much as possible, pay it in cash. You'll get a discount and not pay any interest. Some sneaky dealers offer discounts with a financing scheme, wherein the interest is a greater than the discount given, example, they give you a discount of 40k, but your total financing payment has an additional interest of 150k on top of the srp price, lol.

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    2. Honda usually gives a 10k cash discount,but its best to shop around between dealerships as some can give more than others. Do check too for seasonal discounts - if you're not too keen to have the freshest models, some dealers give extra discount to get rid of the old stocks.

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  11. Hi... Im planning to get this car soon... i just wanna know what is the difference between civic modulo 1.8e and this base model of civic? which one is better and worth to buy? thanks.

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    1. Please take time to read the specs or brochures from Hondaphil website.
      From there you can spot the difference.
      Gusto mo kasi isusubo lahat sa iyo...kulang na lang ngunguyain!

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    3. anyway i don't care about your feelings. its not spoon feeding. i've done reading the brochures pumunta pa ako ng honda dealer shop to see it personally but i cannot tell the difference between the two variant. since hindi naman ako EXPERT kagaya mo... and which one is worth to buy. that's why im here asking ULY for his guidance. because he knows alot more than i do. magtatanog pa ba ako kung alam ko na lahat? gago din to eh noh. nagmamayabang ng wala sa lugar. hindi naman porket nabasa mo na alam mo na lahat. mababasa mo ba sa brochures makikita mo ba sa hondaphil website about the Pros and Cons? Advantages and disadvantages? of course not...

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    4. The Modulo package is basically a body kit. You can live without it. Unless... You really want a bit more style.

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    5. so overall there's no difference between the two variants when it comes to performance? Thanks ULY!!

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    7. My apologies. Sorry po.
      I agree Sir Uly would be of help, as always.
      Peace!

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    8. The modulo variant is just the 1.8 E with a bodykit. Other than that, it's exactly the same.

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    9. No difference in performance.

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    10. Confirmed AutoActiv is pedicab driver and sometimes carwash boy gets car talks ideas from the cutomers

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    11. Di bagay sa yo Ang civic RS...mag commute ka Muna Wala ka namang Alam sa car

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    12. The RS Turbo is a much better buy except for the Fuel Consumption. Good luck!

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    13. Agree with Anon1:59. If you got budget, try adding a small amount and get the ultimate RS Turbo. In that case, you will not come to a point in time where you will regret why you didn't get the Top Of The Line. This is the cause of repentance and regrets into the minds and hearts of buyers that haunts them in their night sleep until the day they have saved enough money to buy again a new car. Goodluck and Godbless!

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  12. Sana may manual variant review. Shift Stick FTW! :D

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    1. walang manual here in Pinas. good luck in waiting po.

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  13. Ask lang po
    1. fc ng 1.8 variant new honda civic?
    2. Honda city cvt vx fc? Alin pp kaya mas matipid?newbee

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    1. Fuel consumption of the 1.8 E is in the story.

      As for City 1.5, check it out here:
      http://www.carguide.ph/2015/12/5-reasons-why-honda-city-is-great-first.html

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  14. 8.78 is city driving or hi way?thank you

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    1. 16 km/h... That's all city but that includes light traffic (Sunday) as well.

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  15. ASk lang po sir. Mahal po ba maintenance cost ng Honda Civic? Nabasa ko po kasi na mahal daw po ang spare parts nyan.

    another topic lang din sir. nag reresearch po ako about sa Ford Ranger wildtrak 2016 magkano po kaya maintenance cost nun mahal din po ba mga spare parts nun? Salamat po

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    1. Magkano po kaya maintenance cost ng Honda Civic at Ford Ranger wildtrak every year? Thank you po.

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    2. Go with Mazda, 3 years free servicing. Super panalo

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    3. Try asking sa Service department ng dealership.

      Hondas need servicing twice a year lang, unlike the usual 3-4 visits annually for other brands.

      I think yung 'mahal piyesa ng Honda' is a myth. If you compare maintenance costs pag strictly casa, wala masyado difference.

      Kaya nasasabi ng tao na mura yung iba (i.e. Toyota) is because may alternative sources for parts - fake parts, salvaged parts, carnap parts, etc. And kaya maraming alternative kasi mas ubiquitous ang iba kaysa Honda.

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  16. what are the significant changes in this 2017 model?

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    1. So changes to when it was first launched.

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  17. Hi, I would like to ask. If you had a budget of 1.1M-ish, sir Uly, what would you get? The recently updated Toyota Altis (1.6V) or this, the Honda Civic (1.8E)? Thank you for your input, Sir Uly. I'm deciding what to get between the two.

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  18. Hi Sir Uly. Which is better to get Honda Civic (1.8E) or Honda BRV 1.5 Navi? Almost the same price.

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    1. depends on how you want to get laid. planning on getting laid out of town with a female barkada? get the BRV then. going to clubs to pick up chicks? get the civic.

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  19. 1.8e or rs? Cant decide..or maybe mazda3 2.0

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  20. Hi Uly, what's the best color for this variant?

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  21. sir uly which is more fuel efficient between civic 1.8 or the mazda 2.0? how about the cost of maintaing these cars after five years?

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    1. mazda is more fuel efficient i have read sir uly previous article regarding the PMS and fuel cost of civic and other competitors

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  22. Dont know what u r talking about.only have mobilio but even with it doesnt hear any unusual sounds, even in rough roads. So i can just imagine wth civic

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  23. factor in resale value. between 1.8 civic and mazda 3 2.0.
    what would be the wise choice?

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    2. You'll be wholeheartedly happy with the Mazda 3 2.0, not the same case with the Civic 1.8E. Test drive both cars and see for yourself. Would you sacrifice a bit of resale value for your everyday satisfaction for your car?

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