And what do you drive to want to use the spot? Sila nmn tlga ang volume seller sa pinas so no surprise na sila ang likely gumagamit. Or is this just another hate post from Mr Acronym man? Hahaha

More like: Buraot Yung Driver. Learn to pay for your electrons, you leeches!

Bading Yung Driver

Matagal na akong EV owner, way before pa sumikat ang Build Your Dreams na yan. BYD ang kalimitang suki ngnayon sa SM sa lugar ko. Maigi sana kung iba-iba ang nasa charger, pero hindi eh, sila-sila lang. Kabisado ko na nga ang mga plate numbers nila sa sobrang limit nila sa mga charger, panay hybrid pa naman.

SM and all other mall operators with free charging need to implement receipt validation for free charging. If you spend a certain amount, your charge session is free. If not, you pay for your consumed electricity at commercial rates (since malls are commercial establishments). This should deter deadbeats and reward customers who patronize the stores in their malls. I've seen so many people charge at these malls and stay inside their vehicles for the duration of their charging sessions. Shameless people really.

SM is offering the charging as an incentive to their malls. And with BYD probably at ~90% of the combined PH/B/EV market it's a no brainer what brand is likely to be in those spots.

Kung kabisado nyo na yung plates (really? This seems super petty if true, lol) then iilan tao lng gumagit at kahit yung ibang BYD owners na left out na rin. Blaming all of the owners for the actions of a few people seems like just brand hate at that point.

Carrying dual powertrains mean double trouble. And it’s super heavy. Maybe best can charge it with low fuel to maximize efficiency then gas it up when battery is close to empty.

How often do you do long distance travel though and how big exactly is the difference? If you're saving money 90%+ of the time in the city then paying a little more during long distance is barely an argument.

Also, battery prices keep going down and will continue to do so since manufacturers keep working on lowering battery prices. That's even IF your battery will need replacement after the industry standard warranty of 8 years. Big second hand markets like in Europe have shown that batteries are rarely ever an issue in old PH/EVs. They're built for the lifetime of the car and even IF you get a bad battery that you don't want to pay to replace out of warranty you can still make it work just with reduced range (this is where being a PHEV is actually a better situation to be in). There's too many steps that have to go wrong that you can safely assume you won't be affected (unless you're an INCREDIBLY unlucky person 😅).

Wag ganyan, iyak sayo mga fan boys. Pero 'Build Your Disaster' daw yan.

Burn Your Dreams, Number 1!

I have a suspicious feeling that you're just replying to yourself. lol

Dude, PHEVs have the same or even better fuel efficiency as other hybrids even when you've drained the battery. SO MANY people have done the full tank > travel x distance > full tank again then compute distance traveled over liters of fuel consumed method. The ability to only use the battery due to daily charging is a big side benefit.

The real inconvenient truth is that people really easily peddle incorrect information so confidently..

Full charge and full fuel means it’s full of juice and full of fuel.

Ha ha ha anony 9.23pm you are dearly wrong. Nabasa ko na dito article carguide ph (sir uly if am not mistaken)that liter to liter Strong HEV far more fuel efficient than PHEV(without charging). even Corolla cross more or less 30% fuel efficient than Nissan E kick, PHEV without charging works like kick. anyway we can ask sir uly about it?

In my personal experience, PHEVs work best with the battery charged up. If you're going to treat it like a self-charging HEV, might as well get a self-charging HEV. The beauty with PHEVs is that short trips can be done without consuming any gas at all.

Corolla cross HEV more fuel efficient than Nissan e kick, light weight e kick more fuel efficient than heavy weight PHEV(without charging).

I'm quoting Mr. Ulysses from his comments sa X-Trail e-POWER article:

Kicks e-Power: 16.19 km/L
Yaris Cross: 23.1 km/L
Corolla Cross: 22.2 km/L

(Both of these Toyotas are HEVs)

So, Sir Uly, could I please ask you how your (or your friends/acquaintances) experience with PHEVs on long drives (far beyond the range of the battery) have compared to these numbers? I know those are mixed use numbers but since we're talking about taking the battery out of the equation I think it's fair to look at long drives specifically.

I've done many long drives (200+km) with the Seal 5 (the cheaper one with the 50km battery) with no extra charging and on sport mode and my numbers are higher than these (average 25+ km/l, highest at around 33 km/l). I even compute final distance MINUS 50km divided by liters of fuel back to full tank so it's essentially working as a self charging HEV on those drives with that computation.

I'd really like a clear direct answer Sir Uly, if you would. There's a certain Filipino car review channel that starts with a letter Z that recently had a video on PHEVs that got PHEV owners calling foul on many points raised and I feel that there's too much misinformation going around (it would be different if PHEV owners were confirming the supposed drawbacks but reality is pointing the other direction). Specifically, I think the "far more efficient" claim needs to be addressed. What does that mean in numbers, exactly (or kahit roughly nlng)?

Thanks in advance, Sir Uly.

Aside from technology, traffic condition and driver behavior play a part in determining the overall fuel economy.

To quote our Sealion 6 review:

Before discussing that, let me address the elephant in the room: the fuel economy. With an 18.3-kWh battery and a 60-liter fuel tank, BYD’s claim of a combined range of 1,100 kilometers doesn’t seem all that spectacular. Simple arithmetic reveals that it’s just 18.33 km/L—comparable to a typical non-plug-in hybrid setup or even a diesel-powered SUV. But focusing on the consumption figure alone doesn’t tell the whole story. See, a plug-in hybrid will never reach the same level of efficiency as a typical hybrid or a battery electric vehicle for one reason: it’s carrying two full powertrains, but only uses one at any given time. True enough, with a 1,830-kilogram curb weight, it’s heavier than a Honda CR-V RS e:HEV or even the BYD Atto 3.

That said, the Sealion 6 DM-i offers one fundamental consumer benefit that escapes most people, including BYD’s rivals: the ability to plug-in and charge. For as long as you keep that lithium-iron-phosphate battery topped up (and remember, BYD’s throwing in a complimentary wall box charger), you consume zero liters of fuel. And with a real-world EV range that lines up with its specs (105 kilometers), you can do your home to office commute (and back) without ever needing to fill up. In my case, it’s about two and a half days’ worth and because I’ve invested in solar panels and a 7-kW wall box, topping up takes just 2 and a half hours. So yes, I’m basically using free energy to drive around.

Thanks for joining in the discussion and answering some of the issues raised, Sir Uly.

From your reply, I'd like to highlight this statement (taking into account all the surrounding context, of course); "18.33 km/L—comparable to a typical non-plug-in hybrid setup or even a diesel-powered SUV". However that's just the computation from the advertised range. Based on that same review article from 2024 that you're qouting, you guys claimed a real-world 43 km/L based on 7.6 liters of fuel consumed and 9.5 km/kWh (34.4 kWh total) battery efficiency based on a weeks worth of usage. That exceeds both the advertised fuel consumption and the expected battery efficiency.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that looks like it would position the SL6 like this (all carguide numbers);

Sealion 6: 43 km/L (though this seems pretty high even for me)
Kicks e-Power: 16.19 km/L
Yaris Cross: 23.1 km/L
Corolla Cross: 22.2 km/L

Just for the people who keep repeating these kinds of claims which started this chain of discussion; "PHEV [gives] no fuel savings unless you charge it every time you use it" - the real-world numbers look pretty competitive to me.

I just read Sir Uly's comment (September 19, 2024 at 7:34 AM) on that SL6 article and he gave a more reasonable number of 22.22 km/L for the SL6.

So, the numbers should look like this then:

Sealion 6: 22.22 km/L
Kicks e-Power: 16.19 km/L
Yaris Cross: 23.1 km/L
Corolla Cross: 22.2 km/L

Looks bang on competitive to the above Toyota HEVs.

SL6 byd claim 18.33 km/L, real world test most likely will be less than the light weight e kick 16.33 km/L.

The 43 km/L figure we stated was because we started the the drive with a full charge.

Our spec chart wasn't exactly made for PHEVs, so when we test it, we simply run it with the full charge (to get the all-electric kWh/km figure) and then keep it uncharged for the rest of the time to get the km/L--that's why the figures are kinda high when you read the chart.

The longer you drive a PHEV in HEV mode, the more you'll see its efficiency go down. Still best to charge it when you can. Also, there are some instances (BMW for example), where you won't get the peak power as it won't be able to send power to the electric motor.

Also yes...in my experience, the Kicks didn't have the best fuel economy among hybrids/PHEVs.

Byd claim range 1100km less 100km battery range = 1000km / 60 liters =16.667 km/L fuel only range. So without charging a PHEV range is less efficient than HEV and ICE. Therefore i conclude that NO Fuel savings on PHEV unless you charge it every time you use it. Unless you charge it every time you use it you will spend MORE money on PHEV fuel than HEV. On HEV you always save money on fuel every time you used it. On PHEV you will save money on fuel by charging it every time you use it.

It really is the worst of both worlds then.

You need to keep your PHEV plugged in while carrying gas that expires if left for too long, and you need to drive it longer to see its fuel efficiency.

Contrast that to a BEV which is always efficient.

While you can use a PHEV in pure EV mode, that defeats the purpose of getting a PHEV rather than a BEV in the first place.

Making a conclusion on the entire technology based on just the claimed range (of just one vehicle, mind you) and ignoring both the numbers from Sir Uly and even personal reports of good fuel economy (from me) is peak hard headedness, lol.

Let me give you my numbers from a trip I took 2 days ago (Seal 5 Dynamic - 50km battery range):

76.7 km traveled (last leg of trip, battery was already at 18% on start up so the engine will be running as generator constantly as well as directly running the engine also since that's how DM-i works)
0 battery movement (started at 18% remained at 18% at the end)
2.9 L fuel consumed.

That's 26.44 km/l relying purely on fuel. I didn't charge at any point until I got home. So, purely on fuel and not relying on stored battery, is that number not competitive with current HEVs? You said no fuel savings unless I charge everytime? You're saying that's even less efficient than pure ICE? You know, I didn't know ICE cars had that kind of fuel consumption all this time...(this is sarcasm, btw)

Make some friends, watch some autovloggers, and ask them what their real-world numbers look like with their PHEVs (purely running on fuel since that's what you think ruins owning a PHEV). I would 100% be on your side if my real world experiences were showing me bad numbers and hitting me in the wallet but it's not like that.

Are there some PHEVs out there that perform worse than some HEVs? Sure. Is it all of them? Absolutely not. lol

Toyota claim 2026 RAV4 average 28.6 km/L

No fuel savings on PHEV unless You charge it every time you use it - Making a conclusion based on byd claim range.

Light weight Nissan e kick with 1.0 ICE generator actual real world range 16 km/L, heavy weight byd PHEV’s with 1.5 ICE generator no doubt will be worse(with out charging). but good for you that you have achieved your claimed range during Holy Week 👏👏👏

Some people need to go back to school to learn how to present an argument. 🤦‍♂️

Simply restating your initial claim, changing or adding nothing to it and ignoring counter claims (real world numbers yan hah, consistent and not best case scenarios) is really showing your limits. Man, that's like how a kid talks, do you realize that? 😅

But whatever, PHEV owners are seeing good numbers (running on gas) kahit ayaw maniwala yung mga puro online lng research. Really though, go make some friends and ask around and you just might be surprised 😉

Ha ha ha i already presented numbers based on byd claim and compared light weight Nissan e kick to heavy weight Byd PHEV’s. its up to people whom to believe, People can always lie but numbers don’t. Congrats again to your CLAIMED range …during Holy Week holidays😁its a real world test during real traffic situation in Ph.👍

I already rest my case your honor, Byd Fanboy its just a discussion, nothing personal. Enjoy your ride ✌️✌️✌️

Nothing personal taken (even as you call a person a fanboy for explaining the technology regardless of brand?🤷🏽) Hanap ka PHEV owner dito sa PH na kahit na ano na brand and ask their numbers. You really don't understand how unconvincing your choice of argument is (pa corny lines ka pa 😅). Which is kinda sad but ultimately you're a random guy who apparently has no friends to ask their numbers. May you someday find those friends 🫂 🫂 🫂

Apparently...based on their FAQ.

Or at least provide proof that the adapter was issued by the manufacturer for use at AC charging stations.