Sunday, February 19, 2017

FAQ: Everything You to Need to Know About Temporary Plates and No OR/CR, No Travel


UPDATE 2: Standardized temporary plates has been postponed. Read it here (3/8).

UPDATE 1: The LTO has suspended the No OR/CR, No Travel for now. Read it here (2/23).

Standardized temporary plates? No OR/CR, No Travel policy? Confused with all this? Get all the answers to your questions here. For ease of reading, we have indicated key words in bold.

What is this new issue with the Land Transportation Office (LTO)?

Well, aside from the backlog when it comes to the issuance of new number plates and driver licenses, there are two new issues here:

The first one deals with a memorandum issued by the Assistant Secretary of the LTO last January 11, 2017 and is already in effect. It has to do with the standardization of temporary plates by using the MV file number for motorcycles and a combination of conduction sticker and MV file number for anything with more than two wheels.

It’s the memorandum requiring all vehicles released on or after February 15, 2017 onwards to have a certain temporary plate format for “unity and ease of visual recognition.” And the memorandum put on vehicle dealers the obligation of attaching on the vehicle the unified temporary plate format with complete information before delivery or release to the buyer.

Now, the MV file number appears only on the Certificate of Registration (CR) which one gets only upon completion of the registration process. And thus the second issue is what impacts on the sale of vehicles.

The second issue is the more pressing one, but is often lumped together with the first issue and because the public has gotten used to lax implementation of the law.

This second issue is the strict implementation of the No OR/CR, No Travel rule.

In the first paragraph of the memo in which it cites Republic Act 4136 or the Traffic Code of the Philippines, the LTO will apprehend and fine drivers using an unregistered vehicle, be it a two-, three-, four-, or even six- or eight-wheeled vehicle.

The exact words the memo uses are: “to ensure that only registered motor vehicles are used or operated on any public highway”. This is the most critical part of the memo and it is much too overlooked.

RA 4136 specifies that only registered motor vehicles can be operated on Philippine roads. People think the conduction sticker allows use of a car.  That’s inaccurate because even on the LTO’s website it says:
(1.a.a.1) Issuance of Conduction Sticker – Conduction Stickers are only issued to accredited assemblers and importers of whole MV for road testing and delivery. The conduction sticker is used to allow legal utilization of motor vehicles prior to its initial registration.
The legal use referred to in the above is road testing and delivery.

Adding to the wrong impression about Conduction Stickers allowing use of a vehicle, is the idea that it is allowed for 7 days. This too is wrong.

The 7-day window for a dealer to register a sold vehicle with the LTO is merely the penalty-free window within which the registration must be processed. (RA 4136. Chapter V. Sec. 56. A.) This doesn’t mean that a vehicle can be operated without registration. In fact, RA 4136 also penalizes driving a motor vehicle without registration. (Chapter V. Sec. 56. D.)

So why exactly is needing an MV file number and not being able to use an unregistered vehicle going to impact the buying experience? 

Well, if registration happened within the day of purchase, there would be no issue. The impact comes from the fact that it takes anywhere from 14 to 90 days to complete registration.

These completion times are based on transmittal receipts held by vehicle dealers.

Is it possible to complete the registration process within the 7-day period prescribed?

Oh yes, it is possible to complete registration within even 1, 2, or 3 days, but these usually happen when there is public scrutiny or special considerations like “SOP” or high connections.

Are these memorandums affecting Metro Manila only or is it nationwide?

This is nationwide.

Where can I see a copy of these memorandums?

You can check out the memorandum on the standardized plates here.  As for the No OR/CR, No Travel Policy, you can refer to the Traffic Code of the Philippines.

If it’s taking the government so long in issuing plates, why don’t we just use the Conduction Sticker numbers permanently?

As mentioned above, Conduction Stickers serve a very specific purpose. It’s issued to accredited assemblers and importers of whole motor vehicles (MV) for road testing and delivery only. The conduction sticker is used to allow the legal use of a vehicle prior to its initial registration. The LTO is only “enforcing the law” that requires motor vehicles to be registered before its release.

What about these Virtual Plates?

Because of the backlog in getting the permanent plate numbers, the LTO is issuing so-called “Virtual Plates”. Virtual Plates contain the car registration numbers issued for a new vehicle; it’s just that the assigned plate number isn’t available yet. Having a virtual plate helps in the release of your permanent plate number in the future.

Now, this is where it gets tricky.

The law actually prohibits the making and/or using of improvised plates. It has corresponding fines unless you have an Authority to Operate with the Use of Improvised Plates. With that in mind, if you plan to use your Virtual Plate number, always have a copy of your OR/CR with you and a copy of the Authority to Operate with the Use of Improvised Plates.

If I bought a vehicle before February 15, 2017, how does it affect me?

If you have your OR/CR with you, then these two memorandums don’t affect you much. You can be pulled over by authorized LTO personnel, yes, but there are no fines involved. All you need to prove is that: first, you bought the vehicle before February 15, hence not needing the standardized temporary plate; and second, that you have the OR/CR with you to prove ownership. In other words, if you don’t want the hassle, just ditch those “Euro” or “JDM” look temporary plates and go for the standardized format.

If you don’t have an OR/CR yet, you cannot use your vehicle. The 7-day window using the Vehicle Sales Invoice or Delivery Receipt, does not work anymore. There was never a 7-day legal usage window in the first place. It came about from misinterpretation and “nakagawian”. You can be fined P 10,000 for using an unregistered vehicle. If registered to another owner, the owner is fined P 10,000 and the driver, P 1,000.

If I bought a vehicle on or after February 15, 2017, how does it affect me?

Your vehicle should have been released by the dealer with the standardized temporary plate already attached. It should indicate details such as the Conduction Sticker number, dealer name, and MV File Number. And since the MV File Number is only generated once your vehicle has been registered, you should also have your OR/CR too.

If you still don’t have your OR/CR, you cannot use your vehicle. Even if you use the standardized temporary plate, but don’t have the MV File Number, you are considered an unregistered vehicle. You can be pulled over and fined. The fine is also P 10,000 to the owner and P 1,000 to the driver.

How many times can I be pulled over in a day? And how many times can they fine me?

It’s not known at this time.

Who can apprehend me?

Currently, only LTO personnel/enforcers and the PNP (Philippine National Police) including the HPG (Highway Patrol Group) can pull over and/or apprehend erring motorists. It remains to be seen if agencies such as the MMDA (Metro Manila Development Authority) and local police will implement this No OR/CR, No Travel Policy.

If I get pulled over, what are my rights?

Understanding that there are delays in the issuance of the OR/CR, the LTO said that they’ll be lenient initially and let motorists and dealers out with just a warning. While they are working to speed up the vehicle registration process, they are discouraging motorists and dealers from giving “SOP” because this will simply lead to increased corruption within the LTO; the very same thing the Durterte Administration is trying to snuff out.

Do dealers have fines too?

Yes, they share in the burden too. The use of non-standardized temporary plates will net the dealer P 100,000 for the first violation; P 500,000 for the second violation; and revocation of their LTO accreditation for the third. The same fines apply if a vehicle is released with no MV file number because it makes the standardized temporary plate invalid. This is the reason why several dealers haven’t had any new vehicle release for almost a week now.

If I just bought a new vehicle, how long do I have to wait until my vehicle gets released?

It depends actually. Ideally, it takes only 7 days for the OR/CR to become available. Once you have it, then you can freely use your new vehicle. In reality though, there have been some reports of backlog at the LTO stretching up to 90 days. If that’s the case, you can’t use your new vehicle or even bring it out of the showroom unless you either: drive it yourself and risk being fined; or two, bring it home on a car carrier and park it in your garage. In both cases, your new vehicle will be decoration in your garage until you get your hands on the OR/CR.

Who’s at fault with all these delays?

It seems the dealers and the LTO are pointing fingers at each other.

As a bit of a background, three types of paperwork is required to successfully register a new vehicle. You’ll need the Sales Invoice (dealer generated), PNP Clearance or MVCC (Motor Vehicle Clearance Certificate) (PNP generated, applied for by dealer or manufacturer), and Certificate of Stock Reported or CSR (manufacturer or importer generated).

It seems the delays (from the dealer side) are coming from the issuance of the PNP Clearance and the CSR. The CSR is especially tricky since this comes from the manufacturers/distributors themselves, so the dealer has largely no control.

More often than not though, the delays have something to do with the LTO system itself. Though they have come up with solutions to reduce the registration backlog, such as implementing a DIY Registration System for dealers, the fact is, the 7-day window is rarely met. Also, the DIY registration system is still a concept under discussion among stakeholders. The actual implementation doesn’t even have a proposed launch date yet.

So why the long processing time?

Apart from the finger pointing, another reason for such a long processing time is that the registration process has not significantly evolved since the signing of RA 4136 in 1964!

The CSR process requires multiple clearance application and reporting by the importer/manufacturer, then multiple clearance, evaluation, and registration by dealers, while also submitting multiple copies of redundant documentation despite computerization. And the same process exists despite the fact that the number of vehicles sold has grown exponentially since 1964.

What ties everyone’s hands is that the old law RA 4136 and Republic Act 6539 (An Act Preventing and Penalizing Carnapping) have strictly defined how the registration process must be done. Without a revision of these laws, the multiple redundant steps may still have to exist.

Even if dealers have submitted all the necessary documents for registration, the paperwork is lost in the multiple manual steps and reviews resulting in delays in the release of the OR/CR.

If I think I’ve encountered an erring LTO personnel, who can I contact?

You can contact the Land Transportation Office or LTO through their website or land line: 02-922-9061 to 66.

105 comments:

  1. you realease a new memo? no or / no cr . no travel.? d ba sa agency nyo / office nyo nanggagaling ang mga OR CR.tapos my ganyan batas. bakit hindi nyo pa ipagbawal ang motor sa pilipinas. PLAKA nga hindi nyo mabigay ng tama. pero sa penalty ang gagaling nyo. so anu ala na kami magagawa? kasi batas nyo na. napabulok ng sistema ng LTO. taon ang bibilangin bago magka plaka. bago my new memo. anu gagawin sa mga sasakyan namin alang OR CR.itatambak sa bahay? ayos nga ang batas nyo.

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    1. kahit sino naman magagalit kahit gaano kaganda ang paliwanag nila.ako kabibili konlang ng motor last december wala pa rin akong or/cr so kasalan paba namin yun dpat mag usap jan ang dealer at lto.

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  2. Isa Lang ang Masasabi ko dyan
    Its More Fun In The Philippines :)

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  3. Disband the staff of LTO and replace them with young and competent people.

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    1. TUMPAKORRECT! people fit with proper customer service. people from the private corporate sector.

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    2. CORRECT TO THE BONES.....CLEAR RED TAPE AND MALINAW NA CORRUPTION YAN.....MAHAL NA PRESIDENTE KALA KO BA AYAW NYO NG CORRUPT NA GOVERNMENT!! ....SANA PO WAG MO ISAWALANG BAHALA ANG BAGAY NA ITO. TULUNGAN MO PO NA WAG MALUGMOK ANG ATING BAYAN SA GANITONG URI NG PAMEMERA SA MAMAMAYANG PILIPINO..

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  4. If you have your plate number but not your perminate plate do you make a temporary plate with plate number or do you still use the mv file number?

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  5. WHY IS LTO NOT WORKING WELL OR NOT DOING ITS PART FOR THE BENEFITS OF THE PUBLIC BUYERS? FOR EXAMPLE, MY CRV NEW PLATE NUMBER WOULD TAKE ALMOST THREE YEARS NOW, THE NEW PLATE IS STILL NOT AVAILABLE? AND WHY PROHIBIT THE USE OF UNREGISTERED CAR WHEN ITS THE AGENCY'S FAILURE AND FAULT TO FASTLY SERVE THE PEOPLE? YOU WANT ONLY TAX PAID TO THE GOVERNMENT AND YET FORGOT TO SERVE THE PEOPLE VERY WELL. MAGTRABAHO KAYO NG MAAYUS AT EFFICIENT AND DON'T BURDEN THE PEOPLE OF NOT USING THEIR RIGHTS TO USE THEIR VEHICLE ON THE ROAD WHEN IT IS YOUR BIG FAILURE TO PROCESS. WITH THIS BACK LOG IT MEANS YOU ARE NOT FUNCTIONING WELL AND NOT SERVING THE PEOPLE.

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  6. Kaya nga nag motor pra mabawasan ang 4 wheeled sa kalsada tapos ngayon mas marami motor gigipitin nyo..bakit mga bumili ang mananagot eh problema nyo nang dealer yan nagtuturuan kayo tapos samin ang penalty...LTO tama na pang loloko kung maayos kasi patakbo nyo mabilis lang yan tama na palakasan

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  7. Nothing is change actually under the new administration with the strict implementation of an old LTO regulation, the buying public is always at a loss with all the finger pointing of the inefficiencies.

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  8. Duterte should treat the LTO like a CEO would do for a company. If after 8 months, the department is unable to deliver any of its functions, in this case, license plates, license cards and now something as simple as OR and CR, then the CEO should either fire the department head or abolish the department altogether. If a department is not functioning, just eliminate it. The guy Duterte assigned to the position, Galvante, is not even qualified for the job. Heck, he only got it because he is a close friend of the president.

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  10. NO OR, NO CR, NO TRAVEL POLICY.
    SA SUBRANG PAGONG SA LTO NA MATAGAL NA NAGYAYARI WALANG PAGBABAGO, NAGBAGO MAN PERO PALALA ANG IPINAGBAGO. BAKIT NAMAN ANG NBI CLEARANCE NAKUKUHA AGAD KAHIT LIBO LIBO ANG NAKUHA.
    NGAYON UNG KABAGALAN NYO DYAN SA LTO PAGKAKAKITAAN NYO PA SA MGA MOTORISTS. IDOL PRESIDENT DUTERTE PLEASE LANG TUTUKAN NYO NAMAN ANG MGA TAONG ITO SA LTO. PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE!

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  11. Dami ninyung pinapatupad para kumita imbis na ayusin at bilisan nyu trabaho nyu naghahanap na nman kayu ng bagong pagkakakitaan..
    Di parin nawawala ang sistimang bulok sa LTO

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  12. Dear LTO, kayo na nga ang may kasalanan bakit walang mga plaka ang mga sasakyan na nare-release. Tapos may bago pa kayong policy no registration no travel. Bakit po ba ganun? Pag kayo ang may fault sa kawalan ng plaka wala kayo memo ang dami na galit car owners. Sana po unahin nyo gawan ng paraan yung mga walang plaka since 2014. 2017 na po ngayon mag-register na ulit po bakit ganun?

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  13. Tama talaga tawag sa bansa natin.... REPUBLIKA NG P.I. (Plakang inutil) :)

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  14. Siguro kailangan ng CLASS ACTION SUIT laban sa LTO at lahat ng nagtratrabaho doon para panagutin silang lahat sa kabobohan nila. Hingiin sa korte na bayaran nila ang mga multa na sisingilin nila sa mga dealers, magmamayari at nagmamaneho ng mga sasakyan huhulihin na labag sa NO REGISTRATION / NO PLATE / NO TRAVEL. UBUSIN ANG PAG AARI NG MGA TAGA LTO.

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  15. Maging patas naman kayo ang gagag0 nyo naman mga taga LTO!!wag nyo naman kaming gagohin pasensya na pero hindi kayo patas sa mga kolokoy nyong pamamalakad!!!

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  16. MGA TAGA LTO GATASAN NYO PA MGA MOTORISTA.. KAYO BOBO MAGTRABAHO PERO KAYO MAKIKINABANG SA KABOBOHAN NYO.. MGA CORRUPT NA PEPERAHAN MGA MOTORISTA.. MAY KALALAGYAN DN KYO SA PINAGGAGAGAWA NYO

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  17. Registration would have been easy if the LTO,TRAFCOM are interlinked. Meaning as soon as the dealer invoice the sale, since there will be no more hassle like having your documents checked by HPG, then send that for uplaoding at the DOTC then pay for the release of your OR and CR. Exhausting process for dealers. Then they get the blame for not being able to give the OR and CR to the clients.
    Registration would be easy for dealers to comply with the " NO REGISTRATION NO RELEASE" if all they need to do is after they invoice the unit bring the INVOICE and DR to LTO then have it registered. Kaso this is not the case..
    Both Clients and Dealers are suffering. Now they want dealers to provide unified temp plates, how about the ones paid for the plate nos. When dealers regsiter they pay for the palte nos. in this case the LTO should be the ones who would release to dealers clients the TEMPORARY PLATES because it is their fault for not being able to give out the plate number...kaso upto now they still have the TRO on the issuance of plate numbers.
    hay...sana someone has to tell Pres DU30. I believe in his political will but the people whom he trust to implement policies are not doing their job.

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  18. this is bullshit!!! magaling lng ang LTO sa pag gawa ng pera! But when it comes to service, NAPAKA INUTIL NYO! ano na ngyari sa mga plaka??hanggang ngaun wala kayong mailabas??pati mga license, puro temporary??waalang i.d.?? kasi nga BULOK ang LTO!!!

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  19. Ang Galing naman sa Penalties ng mga LTO suggest lang po... sana wag nyo naman kami gipitin kaming mga tax payer... don kaayo mang gipit sa mga corrupt na politico...

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  20. Tangalin na lang ang mga matatanda sa lto makupad mabagal kumilos mga bata at millenials na lang ang ipalit

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  21. any updates? they keep on pointing fingers kung sino may kasalanan then consumers ang kawawa. may or/cr na nga na incoming ang sagot naman ni dealer depende kay courier nila if kelan dadalahin sa branch nila..

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  22. Banana Republic... A single piece of plate would just take less than a minute to manufacture. Why make a contract abroad for a supplier of the plates? They do these kind of things for kickbacks, just like the never ending road constructions. I'm very disappointed with Duterte, I'm losing hope with this country's government.

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  23. puro na lang labas ng memorandum..mga plaka nga wala pa kayong maibigay..puro na penalty ang gusto nyo..maawa kayo sa mamamayang pilipino....

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  24. Thank you so much for the article!! Clear, to the point, easy to understand, informative, useful!!

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  25. Ndi ba pwede ausin nyo muna service nyo kesa kung anu anong batas nilalabas nyo??? Plaka at lisensya nga ndi nyo maaus kung anu ano nanaman yang pinapatupad nyo... dapat meron din bayad yung mga agency na ndi nagagawa ng maaus ang trabaho nila gaya ng MGA BOBONG NASA LTO!!! dapat kayo magbayad sa taong bayan... binayaran naman lisensya at plaka namin tapos ayaw nyo ibigay... kinukurakot nyo... tapos pag nagparehistro ulit kami, san na napunta yung binayad namin para sa pag gawa ng I.D. namin wala na??? sa bulsa nyo na punta nun... panibagong bayad nanaman kahit wala pa kau naiibigay??? NDI HALATA ANG PAGIGING CORRUPT NYO HA!!!! CHANGE SCAMMING!!!!!

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  26. Dapat idemolished na ang LTO, bulok na ang systema hindi na yan maaayos. Kung ikukumpara sa gamit sira na ito kaya dapat palitan na ng bago.

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    1. Sir bawal nga i-modify ang sasakyan pati mga tauhan sa LTO bawal din i-modify

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  27. Bought my car Feb 4 2017 only to find out a week later that I cannot use it without the OR CR (with or without the new plate format)! Nasa garahe lang at nagkakasapot at alikabok na! Ang masaklap pa nito, magbabayad na ako ng monthly amortization for the 5-YEAR auto loan sa March 4!! AT HANGGANG NGAYON AY NAGTATAXI PA RIN AKO PAPASOK SA OFFICE AT PAUWI SA BAHAY!
    NAKAKABUWISIT PAREHO ANG LTO AT ANG DEALER DAHIL NAGSABWATAN SILA SA PANLOLOKO SA PUBLIKO! KARMAHIN SANA KAYO MGA HUNGHANG!

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    1. I'm in the same boat. Bought my car last January 19. Was unable to use it. TODAY (Feb 23) lang dumating ang OR & CR. Magagamit ko na rin sa wakas. Hang in there!

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  28. bakit hindi na lang gawaing 5 years o 10 years ang expire ng registration . sa ganoon hindi labo-labo yung kumukuha at nag rerenew.bibilis pang service at lahat ma accomodate.

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  29. Tang ina naman LTO! Yung dalawang batas na pinagbabatayan nyo eh noong 1964 at 1972 pa inaprubahan at hindi na aakma ngayon! Mas madaling ayusin ang rehistro ng sasakyan noon dahil iba ang dami ng sasakyan noon sa dami ng sasakyan ngayon at di hamak na mas matitino mga nasa land transportation noon kesa ngayon! Magkaroon kayo ng konsiderasyon! Ang sinasabi ninyo na kelangan ipatupad ang batas ay isang malaking kagaguhan sa sitwasyon ng transportasyon ngayon! Ang pagdami ng bagong sasakyan sa kalsada ay sumisimbolo ng pagganda at pagunlad ng ekonomiya at ng pagasenso ng mga Pilipino tapos eto kayo hahadlangan kami na gamitin ang bagong bili naming sasakyan kesyo wala pang OR/CR?? Kapag ipinasa na ng dealer sa kliyente ang sasakyan eh kasama na ang rehistro ng sasakyan sa pinirmahang kontrata o babayaran ng kliyente kahit na zero downpayment pa yan kaya malinaw na tapos na obligasyon namin dyan sa OR/CR na yan. Sa Conduction Sticker pa lang malalaman nyo na sa dealer kung kanino nakapangalan sasakyan kaya madali nyo matrace kung sakaling nakaaksidente yung sasakyan! Litratuhan nyo mga sasakyan na makikita nyo sa kalsada na nakaconduction sticker lang pero hanggang doon lang at bahala na kayo makipagtalo sa Dealer total problema nyo naman yan! Yung sinasabi nyong mabagal magpasa ng dokumento mga dealer edi lakihan nyo multa bawat araw ng delay kundi magkumahog mga yan! Kung ang isang dealer ay magpapasa ng documents sa inyo para sa 10 units ng sasakyan sa isang araw, malamang nasa libo matatanggap nyo sa isang araw mula sa lahat ng dealers at malabong matapos nyo agad yon so nakanino ang delay? Kayo na may pagkukulang tapos ipapasa nyo samin ang problema! Ang simpleng bagay pinapalaki nyo at idadamay nyo pa kaming mga consumer na bumili na nga ng bago kahit na mahirap magmonthly! Bakit di nyo pagtuunan ng pansin yung mga sasakyan na lagpas 15 years na, na di hamak na mas makakaperwisyo sa trapiko kapag nasiraan sa daan at ang usok pa! Biruin mo mga jeep at bus sa kalsada na sobrang usok na nairerehistro pa sa inyo at sa isa pang bugok na LTFRB!?

    Sa mga nagrereklamo naman, di nyo na dapat isisi pa kay Presidente Duterte yang problemang yan sa LTO. Kaya nga sya nagtalaga ng mga mamumuno ng bawat departamento para di na nya problemahin yan. Lahat ba ng bawat problema sa kanya isisi. Di nya alam kung may mga kagaguhang memo o regulasyon na bagong ipinatupad ang LTO o iba pang ahensya kung hindi tayo aalma. Ang dapat natin gawin ay ipaalam sa kanya na may nakapasok o di pa naaalis na bugok sa ahensya! Alam nyo sa mga sarili nyo na matino president natin pero ang ilan sa mga ipinuwesto nya eh bugok pala.

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  30. I agree...why do they have to pass the burden to consumers? Once your car is released, hindi na dapat nmin pananagutan ang kakulangan nyo sa pagprocesso ng or/cr..they have to be considerate and allow the threshold of 90days from the date of purchase for the newly released cars to operate kahit walang orcr..dealers even use this tactic too of not relaeasing my or/cr...like i have to give them the 4pcs checks the need fr my car insurance and i failed to do so...my or/cr wont be released?is this even fair?blackmail ata ang tawag jan...then this news/memo came up. i texted so many times na my SA asking if available n ung or/cr ko coz my checks are now ready...pero d nya ko nirereplyan....pede bang hindi ko din muna ibbgay ung cheke ko without them giving my orcr?..haist...only in pinas..Govt is govt..walang pagbabago..walang improvement...their failure is people's burden...sana makapagwelga din tau para maipaglaban to void that memo. so stupid..parang tanga lang.ang kotse mo nakadisplay sa garage..habang ikaw haggard sa commute..too bad!!hope Philippine Govt can do something better about this.

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  31. I agree...why do they have to pass the burden to consumers? Once your car is released, hindi na dapat nmin pananagutan ang kakulangan nyo sa pagprocesso ng or/cr..they have to be considerate and allow the threshold of 90days from the date of purchase for the newly released cars to operate kahit walang orcr..dealers even use this tactic too of not relaeasing my or/cr...like i have to give them the 4pcs checks the need fr my car insurance and i failed to do so...my or/cr wont be released?is this even fair?blackmail ata ang tawag jan...then this news/memo came up. i texted so many times na my SA asking if available n ung or/cr ko coz my checks are now ready...pero d nya ko nirereplyan....pede bang hindi ko din muna ibbgay ung cheke ko without them giving my orcr?..haist...only in pinas..Govt is govt..walang pagbabago..walang improvement...their failure is people's burden...sana makapagwelga din tau para maipaglaban to void that memo. so stupid..parang tanga lang.ang kotse mo nakadisplay sa garage..habang ikaw haggard sa commute..too bad!!hope Philippine Govt can do something better about this.

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  32. IF you want your law to be followed, then fine correct party. Fine the DEALERS who in the first place should only sell cars that are registered. If ndi mabenta ung car then LTO should have a process to retract the registration. Kaming mga consumers at nagpapasahod sa LTO pa mahihirapan. Not very well thought of. lalaki ng sahod ng head ng LTO nag bbuffet lang nnaman araw gamit pera ng taong bayan.

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    1. Actually that's what's happening right now. Some dealers haven't been releasing units.

      A large chain of motorcycle dealerships for example, has not released a single unit today.

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  33. LTO!! KAYO KAYA BIGYAN NAMIN NG PENALTY SA KALOKOHAN NYO!!! NAUNA NA MGA BAYAD NAMIN PERO ANO! HANGANG NGAYON NAGAANTAY KAMI! TAPOS NGAYON! ANG KAKAPAL NG MUKA NYO PARA MAMERA SA KASALANAN NYO!! FUCK THE SYSTEM!TO YOU! TO THE PERSON WHO IS RESPONSIBLE IMPLEMENTING THIS INTERGALACTIC LAW! TRY TO THINK 100 TIMES!! MAYBE YOU DECIDED TO IMPLEMENT THAT FREAKING LAW BECAUSE IF YOUR STATUS! YOUR POSITION! YOU DIDN'T THINK WHATS THE IMPACT OF THIS TO ALL PEOPLE! IS THIS A SOLUTION OR ANOTHER WAY FOR YOU TO MAKE SOME MONEY TO COMPENSATE PEOPLES MONEY THAT YOU'VE TAKEN! WE DONT KNOW WHY AND WHAT THE HECK, WHAT PUSHES YOU TO IMPLEMENT FUCKING RULES!!! YOU SELFISH!! MAY BALIK YAN!!!!!!

    -han™

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  34. What if wala kang OR/CR pero binigyan ka ng dealer mo ng permit to travel, may fine pa rin ba? At 3months ba talaga bago makuha ang OR/CR? Salamat sa sasagot. I buy my motor last february 14,2017.

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    1. Dealers cannot issue a permit to travel. Documents like that can only be issued by the LTO.

      Ang pag process ng OR/CR ay depende sa dealer at sa LTO. Kaya daw ng 7 days kaso madalas, delayed siya. Nagtuturuan ang dealers at LTO sa problema.

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    2. I bought mine feb 13th. According to my dealer they highly recommend not to use my car till i have my or/ cr. Kainis di ba! Parang nakakapag sisi tuloy na naka bili pa ako ng kotse!

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  35. Sir Uly, question, is there a new memo from LTO to DEALERS saying NO REGISTRATION NO RELEASE? Kasi dealers now are holding their releases. What happened to the 7-day window??? As far as i know, the 7-day window for the orcr has been there na, i think a year or two ago na.. Kawawa naman ang taong bayan, walang kalaban laban sa panukalang ito ��

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    1. The memo of no registration, no release is internal to dealers. However, because of the strict fines from the LTO, they don't want to be fined or lose accreditation.

      The 7 day window, as indicated above, simply means a penalty-free window for dealers to register the sold vehicle. It doesn't give authority to the owner to use an unregister vehicle.

      If only the registration process were quicker, then everything would be okay.

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    2. Sir Uly, sabi kasi ng dealer ko 3months processing daw ang OR/CR, so pwede ko pala i follow up na.

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    3. It's your right to follow up your OR/CR. Have it checked with your dealer...baka naman it's released na.

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  36. I bought my car last feb 13th. Nakakainis isipin na mag start na akong magbayad kahit di ko nagamit ang car ko. Kainis talaga

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  37. Bwisit na pilipinas to, pakadaming red tape. pakamatay na kayong lahat sa lto please

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  38. 10k for the fine??? galing naman. mag isip po kayo nang mas magandang batas na makaka pag paginhawa nang may sasakyan at byahero hindi po yung parang wlaang sense na implementation na yan. it should be beween you (LTO) and the dealer!

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    1. Apparently it's to ensure no one will violate the Citizen's Chapter of LTO. Or if you want more and would recklessly use your vehicle with addition you don't have a driver's license, then the fine would be Php 13,000.00. So, good luck in following the new Law.

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  39. sir yul matanong lang po..ung mga motor na naerelease a year ago d naman apektado ng bagong memo??ung akin kasi hanggang ngaun temporary plate parin ang gamit q

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    1. Okay lang na temporary plate ang gamit kaso kailangan may OR/CR ka na. Pag wala kang OR/CR kahit man kailan mo nabili ang motor mo, di na pwede.

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  40. Dagdag kick back nanaman mga bwaya!!

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  41. BULLSH!T memo that doesn't make any sense...it's their fault but ours to pay! what a crap! first of all you at LTO should look at the old vehicles that causes more damage on the road! smoke belchers and public vehicles that pumps their damn brakes before it works! busses who swerves like a freaking small cars on the track and piles of public vehicles that covers the whole freakin road just to load and unload! common LTO there's so much to look at besides giving a memo that benefits your pockets!!!

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  42. Para hindi nag-uusap usap mga admin nila
    no OR no Cr no travel policy f***! magusap usap muna kayo diyan ang bagal mglabas ng plaka pati mga lisence id ang bagal SANA ALAM NIYO YUN bago kayo mglabas ng memo niyo! parang hindi ngiisip gumawa ng memo na yan.

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  43. LTO is THE problem. They still take a ludicrously long time to issue the plates despite the complete documentation. "uphold the law" my posterior. These clowns just want you to pay bribe money to speed up the processing. THese jackasses have the galls to impose a standard when they can't even uphold their own. Who fines the LTO for their blunders?

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  44. GOVERNMENT LTO MOST CORRUPT ... TNG INA NIO WAG NIO PAG KABUSINESAN ANG MGA MOTOR ... BIGAY NIO PLAKA NMN ... TGL NIO MG RELEASE TPOS HAHANP NNMN KAYO NG PAG KAKAPERAHAN NIO TNG INA ... PROMISE MGA HAYUP KAYO

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  45. Dapat bago naglabas ng memo sinigurado muna nila na maayos ang processing ng OR/CR.

    Sila ang dapat memohan.

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  46. dpat lto ang bigyan ng penalty per day na hindi magawang ilabas ang mga documents

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  47. Ang batas ay dapat pra sa kapakanan ng nakararami, in this case iabolish o dpat irevise ang batas kse maraming naapektohan. Sa ganyang sistema pwede namin kayong kasuhan ng economic sabotage. Sa dami naming naapektuhan. May PNP Clearance, CSR, at Sales Invoice, why not allowing all the dealers to use the PNP Clearance number as a temporary travel documents togethet with the Sales Invoice, in a way that LTO will have an ample time to perform their duty for the processing of the customers registration. This will also give protection to both parties.

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  48. Wag lang ako mkakakita ng VIP's at public officials na nkabagong sasakyan na palalampasin ng mga gunggong na LTO na yan

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  49. Wala na sila maisip na solusyon sa trapik' kaya ito gagawin nila. Kaya damay damay na buong bayan. Kailangan natin kumilos. Wag na umiyak

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  50. Hindi na muna ako kukuha ng cbr 150 hehehe bwsit!

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  51. Puro pagka perahan ang iniisip nitong pinaka sa pinaka pulpol at kurakot na government agency. Ipasara na yan! Walang silbi! Walang registration sticker, walang Driver's License ID, walang plaka! Wala na kayong ginawa puro kolekta, gawa nang pang multang penalties, walang ibinibigay na item sa mga binayaran namin! Ang haba nang pila, bulok na mga opisina, bulok na sistema, bulok na serbisyo! Kung wala kayong maibigay sa mga binayaran namin WAG kayo mangolekta! MGA INUTIL!!! BWISET KAYO LTO!!!

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  52. ABOLISH LTO!!!

    INUTIL NA AHENSYA NANG GOBYERNO!!!

    PANAGUTIN ANG MGA NAGKASALA!!! IKULONG ANG MGA NA NGURAKOT NA MGA OPISYALES HANGGANG SA IBABA!!!

    SAKSAKAN NA INUTIL!!!

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  53. tiba tiba nanaman ang mga MMDA na buraot nyan.Galing ng LTO
    champion!

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  54. Mr. Uly, inquiry lang po, need pa po ba ng authority to drive kahit na may temporary plate at photocopy ng OR/CR ng sasakyan? Ginagamit po kasi pang-Uber ang sasakyan eh. Salamat po in advance.

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  55. magaling talaga LTO puro bandaid solution sana permanent solution naman ang gawin nila

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  56. Ipa 8888 natin ang LTO

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  57. DAPAT ANG LTFRB NA ANG HAHAWAK SA MGA PRANGKISA NG MGA TRICYCLE DITO SA PILIPINAS. MARAMING TRICYCLE NA COLORUM SA CABANATUAN KADALASAN AY OVERCHARGING SA PAMASAHE, NAMIMILI NG PASAHERO, KASKASERO ANG DRIVER NG TRICYCLE, ATBP., MINSAN LASING PA ANG MGA DRIVER NG TRICYCLE

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  58. In Makati and Mandaluyong I haven't seen anyone getting flagged for using virtual plates (mga maaring walang OR/CR). Marami ding di nakakaalam kaya patuloy byahe. Wag lang siguro ma involve sa aksidente. Samakatwid, marami rin bumabalewala sa memo na ito ng LTO dahil di sila kapani paniwala.

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    1. LOL. I believe it's only LTO personnel and those that they've deputized na pwede manghuli. Last we heard, wala pang 100 enforcers ang LTO eh.

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  59. Sir Uly, good day sir. Just acquired a new car last January 2017. Nagpagawa kami ng temporary plate as per the requirement at may photocopy ng OR/CR, need pa ba ng permit to travel para magamit yung vehicle? Appreciate your kind response, thanks.

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    1. Thanks sir Uly for the fast response. Appreciate it very much. God bless and more power to CarGuide.Ph

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  60. pls. nmn wag nmn ganyan lto eh...

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  61. dami alam ng LTO.
    1. bumili ng motor vehicle, paid the registration fee for LTO na included dun sa requirements PERO WALANG OR/CR
    2. nagparenew ng license, bayad na PERO WALANG ID CARD
    3. registered na, bayad na lahat PERO WALANG PLATE NUMBER

    ano ba nagawa ng LTO na tama?! now impose ng no OR/CR no travel bullsh*t?! fine pa na 10k?! BALIW BA KAYO LTO? KAYO NGA MAY KASALANAN KUNG BKIT WALANG OR/CR LICENSE AT PLATE NUMBER. so nakabuti pa sa inyo ang hindi pagtrabaho kse pag wala OR/CR pede pa perahan???! PUT@NG !N@ NINYO JAN SA LTO!!!!

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  62. Sir tama ba na sa unang huli e warning muna? Thank you

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    1. For now, walang huli.

      However, sources say the LTO might be giving just a 30 day window for no penalties.

      I will keep you guys posted for any news about this.

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    2. hi sir ulysses. any update about this 30 day window for no penalties?

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  63. Bullshit LTO! You know whats the real problem! is all on your sytem, your manpower, your procedure and your IT provider! 7 DAYS TO REGISTER? BULLSHIT! YOU HAVE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS BEFORE REGISTRATION.. PRIOR TO APPLY FOR PLATE REGISTRATION AND TO GET OR/CR YOU NEED CERTIFICATION OF STOCK REPORTED (csr) WHICH IS PROCESSED BY MANUFACTURER IN YOUR MAIN OFFICE, THERE IS NO PROBLEM ON THE SIDE OF MANUFACTURER THEY CAN DO THE PROCESS BUT YOU HAVE LIMITATION PER DAY PROCESSING... WHY???????? AND HOR THEY CAN BE DONE IF YOU WILL LIMIT THEM???? YOU HAVE ALSO LACK OF COMPUTER STATION IN THE (DIY) 12 COMPUTER STATION FOR ALL CAR/MC MANUFACTURER???BULLSHIT!!!! AND THE SYTEM THAT THEY USED WHICH IS PROVIDED BY STRADCOM IS ALWAYS ENCOUNTER HANGUP IN THEIR EVERYDAY PROCESSING.. BULLSHIT AGAIN!!!! LAST YOU YOUR NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE CSR FORM TO THEM WHICH IS CAUSE OF THER BACKLOGS, FROM DECEMBER16 TO JANUARY17 TOTALY YOU HAVE NO FORMS AND THE BACKLOG OF CSR GOES UP TO MORETHAN 3HUNDRED THOUSAND THEM YOU WILL RELEASED A MEMO NO OR/CR NO TRAVEL! PARA KAYONG NAGPAKAIN SA MGA BUWAYA NYONG ENFORCER! WHY YOU NOT TELLING THE TRUTH TO THE PUBLIC?????? MGA BULSHIT KAYONG MATATANDANG HUKLUBAN KAYO! TUMANDA NA KAYO SA PANGUNGURAKOT!

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  64. Hay naku tengga nanaman new purchased service mc ko dahil sa memo ng LTO. HIRAP PA NAMAN MAGCOMMUTE SO HASSLE!

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  65. Hi kahit my certification huhulihin

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  66. say... fundraising activity :(

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  67. Motorists lets go to the streets burn the LTO its high time to revamp this corrupt agency! Duterte wake up!

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  68. LTO PERSONNEL, GO AND BURN IN HELL !!!!

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  69. Sir plano ko po bumili motor in cash . So hindi ko sya maiuuwi if the purchase was made after feb 17 cause wala pa cgurado or cr un.

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  70. Oo nga. Panu po ung mga bibili ng motor after feb 17? I rerelease ba ng dealer? Idedeliver ba ? Kame mag uuwi?

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  71. Meron pa ngang naka-rehistro na, pero wala ring plate number, he3, . kakabuwisit talaga

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  72. Hi kahit my certification huhulihin

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  73. Dear LTO,

    First, it is not our fault (consumers) that your incompetent agency cannot process the documents on time. This problem has been ongoing from the last administration, and still you are putting the burden to the public. Why don't you and your agency, look into the problem itself, and you'll find out that the issue is in front of you and inside your office. Eh kung yung mga tatamad tamad ninyong mga staff at enforcers ang pinaasikaso ninyo ng mga dokumento at yung mga car dealers ang kalampagin ninyo para maayos na itong problema? Please don't put the burden to us, dahil hindi po namin kasalanan na wala kayong plaka na maproduce, wala kayong stickers, wala kayong plastic IDs at di ninyo maasikaso ang mga OR/CR dahil under-staff kayo... dahil bayad na po kami, kayo ang may problema, nasa inyo ang bola, wag nyo naman sana kami gawing gatasan. Mag-aabot ako ng sulat sa Pangulo para mabalasa na kayo.

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  74. Sino ba pwede manghuli? LTO personnel lang ba? O kasama dyan HPG, MMDA at city/municipal traffic enforcers?

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  75. i was given an assigned plate number (no actual plate release) can i make and used an improvised plate using my assigned number as my virtual plate? i am tired of using my conduction number!thanks and more power!

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  76. toyoto is the only car copany na may order kayo na by bulk mag parehistro. bakit by bulk pa eh kung di nyo naman kagad agad kayang tapusin. tapos huhulihin nyo pa client nika eh kayo may fault tagal nyo magbigay ng OR/CR. bakit di nyo multahan sarii nyo sa ginagawa nyo sa toyota.

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  77. Anu p hinihintay natin tara n s malacañang...isumbong natin kay tatay digong.....

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    1. Hehehehe dont waste ur time kung gusto aksiyonan ng malacanang yang issue eh ginawa na nila

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  78. My dealer has given me a photocopy of OR, CR is not yet available because it is on process with the original OR as requirement. They said thay I can already used my vehicle...can I really used my vehicle having only a photocopy of OR?

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  79. Bago sana sila magimplement, siguraduhin muna nilang plantsado ang lahat at wala silang backlog. Hindi yung andami nilang gustong gawin e ang dami din namang nakatengga sa kanila...lakas makapenalty e daig pa pagong sa pagkilos...

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  80. Hi san po ba ngppgawa ng ganyan?

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  81. Hi any updates on this issue? If ever mahuli ba immediate fine agad or just a warning? I feel like my money is being wasted looking at my new car just parked in our garage

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  82. Sir Uly paki sagot naman ung latest question...thanks po

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  83. Sir any updates po?

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