Tuesday, June 7, 2016

Review: 2016 Toyota Fortuner 2.8 V


Normally, when a carmaker launches an all-new product, it opens not just a chapter in that vehicle’s history, but an entirely new volume. That said, Toyota didn’t get the memo with the all-new Fortuner. Granted it looks sleeker and much more sophisticated than ever before, it adheres too closely to the concept of kaizen or continuous improvement. It ends up telling pretty much the same story, remixed and retold.

If the original Fortuner were a movie, it’ll be Star Wars: A New Hope. It’s undoubtedly a Toyota magnum opus—a showcase of ingenious design and clever marketing. It brought a “gotta-have-it” element in the otherwise unsexy family SUV business and despite its flaws, people bought a ton of them. No matter what the competition did, the Fortuner gravy train couldn’t be stopped. Ten years on and a new generation later, it’s A New Hope all over again. Only this time, the Fortuner comes with better special effects.



It doesn’t take a car designer to appreciate what Toyota has done with the Fortuner’s design. While the first-generation model looked sturdy, the new one is sleek. It’s all fluid and swoopy with a strong crossover-vibe. The front is dominated by a large upper grille and Bi-LED headlights with DRLs. Along the side, a strong character line runs across the doors while the blacked out C-pillar produces that distinct “floating roof” effect. The rear is no less striking with the tapered tail lights with bold LED elements.

Climbing aboard requires a step up, but ingress/egress is easier thanks to the A-pillar grab handles for the front passengers. Once in there, it has a notch-above look and feel with the two-tone black and brown color scheme. Further elevating the tactile experience is the supple leather not just on the steering wheel, but on the seats, door trims, and center console as well. The plastics are also nicely textured and softened up too. Tastefully done piano black accents and matte wood trimmings complete the transformation. Upfront, the interior space is more or less comparable to the previous Fortuner making it roomier than another sci-fi inspired rival, but the aggressively angled A-pillar does shave off some headroom.




Greatly improved for 2016 is the ergonomics. It’s been cleaned up with logical placement of controls and switches for greater ease of use and operation. With the exception of the chintzy glowing vertical stripes in the gauges, it’s a straightforward affair. The instrument cluster presents all pertinent information clearly and concisely, while the steering wheel and seats offer a commendable driving position. The gated shifter also falls much more naturally within arm’s reach as well.

Moving to the second and third row though, the experience feels largely unchanged. Yes, it’s still quite roomy, but there’s surprisingly not a lot of head room available (especially the middle occupant in the second row and the entire third row). Apart from that, it doesn’t learn any new tricks. The second row still folds, slides, and tumbles in a 60/40 split, but a one-touch tumble mechanism allows easier access to the third row. The third row meanwhile still flips to the side, but a spring loaded mechanism and rear-mounted latch point, attached to the rearmost seatbelts, make it easier to store.



The similar seating configuration serves as a prelude to the Fortuner’s driving experience which is, in a word, familiar. With a carryover platform, piloting it just for a few hundred meters brings a strong sense of connection to the first-generation model. Everything from the sight lines, the position of the mirrors, to the way you peek slightly up the dashboard to look ahead is déjà vu. The steering, a hydraulic assisted unit is heavy, heavier than other similar steering set-ups; but suits the relaxed nature of this vehicle. Compared to before, it filters unwanted ruts and vibrations from the road although some sharp ones do still tend to shudder the steering wheel.

Apart from the steering, its on-road performance is pretty much where the previous model left off. The suspension is tuned to be quite stiff, controlling unwanted pitching through corners thereby adding a feel of stability during turns. The same setup is also largely responsible for improved high-speed stability. On the flipside, push it a tad more and it’ll understeer. Take a bend too fast, and it’ll refuse to turn. Scrubbing some speed is the only solution to get it to cooperate. The same setup is largely responsible for the jiggly ride, especially at low speeds. Improved damping removes some unwanted harshness, but it still hops up and down at even the smallest of bumps. At higher speeds though, it sorts itself out. It becomes quieter and much more compliant as the pace goes up. The brakes offer much better pedal modulation than before, but there are instances where it feels “under braked”.




As the range-topping Fortuner, the 2.8 V comes with Toyota’s next-generation diesel engine: the 1GD-FTV. The 2.8-liter 4-cylinder doesn’t pack class-leading numbers, but the 174 horsepower, 450 Nm output do well enough to push this 2,135-kilogram SUV nicely. Low-speed response is pretty quick, but there’s noticeable jerkiness. The throttle seems to penalize a heavy right foot because of its non-linear engagement. And together with a gearbox that’s eager to shift up, it results in less than refined manners. Maintaining a light pressure on the gas seems the best way to coax it to accelerate smoothly. Switching the selectable driving modes to ECO does help as well, but it also neuters the power delivery, making the 2.8-liter engine feel more like the previous non-VGS 2.5-D-4D.

After getting used to the peculiar throttle, the Fortuner does have a noticeably quieter mill, especially compared to the one it’s intended to replace. It only gets vocal as the revs climb up. Compared to other engines though, including Toyota’s very own 2.4-liter 2GD-FTV, it does sound throatier. As mentioned, the 6-speed automatic could use better refinement at low speeds, but in mid to high speed applications, it’s much better equipped than the old 4-speed ‘box. It’s also equipped with paddle shifters, only they don’t work in the conventional sense. Engaging the paddles at any time displays a gear, for example, 5. This means the gearbox is free to engage any gear from 1 to 5. If you flick it down to 3, it’s free to engage any gear from 1 to 3. It’s not a real manual override, but more of an overdrive off switch. In terms of fuel mileage, it does 7.93 km/L in the city (average speed 15 km/h), not a high number, but a large 80-liter fuel tank means fewer stops between fill-ups.



With such intense competition in the mid-sized SUV wars, Toyota decided to sing a familiar, but popular tune with the all-new Fortuner. Like how George Lucas sees Star Wars as his obra, Toyota sees the Fortuner the same way; and like Lucas, who released the same movie, tweaked and polished twenty years later, Toyota is doing the same with the second-generation Fortuner. It’s the same SUV wrapped in a sexier, bolder wrapper. Whether you believe in the proven formula or not may be the single biggest reason why you’ll be swayed or dismayed with Toyota’s efforts.

2016 Toyota Fortuner 2.8 V
Ownership 2016 Toyota Fortuner 2.8 V 4x4
Year Introduced 2016
Vehicle Classification Mid-sized SUV
The Basics
Body Type 5-door SUV
Seating 7
Engine / Drive F/4WD, Part Time, High/Low
Under the Hood
Displacement (liters) 2.8
Aspiration Common Rail, Turbo, Variable Geometry
Layout / # of Cylinders I4
BHP @ rpm 174 @ 3,400
Nm @ rpm 450 @ 1,600-2,400
Fuel / Min. Octane Diesel
Transmission 6-speed AT
Cruise Control Yes
Dimensions and Weights
Length (mm) 4,795
Width (mm) 1,855
Height (mm) 1,835
Wheelbase (mm) 2,745
Curb Weight (kg) 2,135
Suspension and Tires
Front Suspension Independent, Double Wishbone
Rear Suspension 4-Link, Coil Springs
Front Brakes Vented Disc
Rear Brakes Drum
Tires Bridgestone Dueler H/T II 265/60 R 18 H (f & r)
Wheels Alloy
Safety Features
Airbags 7
Anti-Lock Brakes (ABS) Yes
Traction / Stability Control Yes
Parking Sensors Yes, Rear
Exterior Features
Headlights LED
Fog Lamps Yes, Front
Auto Lights Yes
Auto Wipers No
Interior Features
Steering Wheel Adjustment Tilt/Telescopic
Steering Wheel Material Leather
Seating Adjustment Electric (driver)
Seating Surface Leather
Folding Rear Seat Yes, 60/40 (2nd row); 50/50 (3rd row)
On-Board Computer Yes
Convenience Features
Power Steering Yes
Power Door Locks Yes
Power Windows Yes
Power Mirrors Yes, with Fold
Climate Control Yes, with Rear Controls
Audio System Stereo
DVD
MP3
Aux
USB
Bluetooth
GPS
No. of Speakers 6
Steering Wheel Controls Yes

185 comments:

  1. Dear Sir,

    Our new toyota fortuner has a factory defect. The dealer will replace the whole transmission assembly. Its a 4x2 automatic. Some have already been complaining of the strong jerking issue of the transmission. Thank you.

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    1. I dont understand the MT 4x2 fortuner that you need to push the pedal of the clutch at full strength until it reached your matting before you can start the engine. Why?

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    2. Ours also, TMP replace a whole new transmission. They told us that it had technical and mechanical problem from gear box to transmission.

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  2. Great review. Frank with the negatives and concise. Keep this up Uly, I will keep visiting this site.

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    1. Lol this is not tgph, their reviews are like an advertorial, and as uly said, he has a fortuner in his home so he is quite familiar with this suv. Toyota missed it bigtime here, even the mid spec montero or everest has more tech than this overpriced pos. For a 2 mil car and still has rear drums, toyota ph is really being greedy. Sadly a lot of filipinos are still buying this crap,

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    2. ^^^ Let them WASTE there money on this crap! Pay MORE get LESS on the Fortuner! This should be how they advertise this vehicle.

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    3. it's their preference and their money.

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  3. This must be the most negative review of the new Fortuner I've read so far. There's not a even a mention of the Toyota name badge as a reason for buying this vehicle unlike TopGear's 5-way comparo.

    I didn't know that the ride was still harsh since I kept reading that it has been improved over the previous from both press releases and other car reviews.

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    1. Having a first-generation Fortuner in the house for comparison every single day helps in determining that the ride and handling are pretty much where they left off. There are subtle improvements for sure, but it's not as comfy or soft riding as its newer competitors.

      Finally, badge as a reason for buying it? It may be a reason to be attracted to it, but a car must be evaluated for its objective pros and cons. Having a 50-strong dealership network does help though.

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    2. If a car's selling point is mainly the badge, it is overrated! Its about time consumers realize this... the author just nailed some facts here...

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    3. hi uly, in tsikot thread niky (topgear) said they compared the 5 suvs subjectively because if they will do it objectively, the trailblazer will trample the other 4. by the way i have a 2015 trailblazer LT.

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    4. What's his basis? Power? Power is just part of the package. There's no denying that the Trailblazer is the quickest in a straight line, but as of now, that's it. I'm not really that impressed with the rest of the Trailblazer package.

      Why? It's not aging pretty well considering the new competition. I want to see how the new Trailblazer will do. I heard the changes are substantial. It's coming out end of this year.

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    5. The Mux is even selling better than the Trailblazer, knowing that the Mux's engine is less powerful than the Trailblazer's.

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  4. Im never a fanatic to accessories and interiors. Torque and Power is what it takes to climb the hills and leave the rest biting the highway dust. This separates the men from the boys. Chevy Duramax 200hp X 500nm simply kicks ass !

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    1. I think you should.

      Safety and comfort are very important in a family-oriented SUV. As an old tire ad said, "power is nothing without control". I think that saying holds true especially if you're carrying the most precious cargo in the world--your family.

      If you wanted power, get a drag racer.

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    2. Someone just got burned!!!!!

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    3. Nice One Uly

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  5. This is the most negative review of the Fortuner yet. But anyway, good job! South African and Australian comparo/reviews, picks Fortuner as the best all-around family SUV. Although it does not exceed in any field, it does every job very well. Comparo includes Montero, Everest, Mu-x. There reviews based on the ride and comfort is quite excellent. It's smooth and quiet in the cabin although not the best in class, but is not a deal breaker.

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    1. I think one reason why it's doing better in Australia is that it's speced differently. It has a different rear suspension (5-Link vs 4-Link) and the brakes are four-wheel discs all around.

      Compared to the previous Fortuner, the low speed ride is more or less the same (jiggly, matagtag), but as the speeds go up, it's smoother than the outgoing model.

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    2. Why would Toyota do that? I mean we can understand if that's the spec everywhere. We can understand if the price is cheap. But at 2.1+M? Isn't Toyota fooling Filipino buyers for knowingly putting inferior specs compared to other markets? Would a 5 link instead of 4, and another pair of disc instead of drum brakes dent the already hefty price? Toyota is disrespecting the Filipino people's intellegence. Bad Toyota.

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    3. blame bureau of customs for imposing high tariffs

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    4. ^matagal na po ang toyota sa pag "disrespect of intelligence" ng mga pinoy... Tignan nyo yun avanza at wigo kalidad pang kia pero presyong nissan... Buti ngayon marami na nakakahalata!

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    5. ^Wag ka naman manlait ng Kia. Kia makes better cars than what Toyota Philippines sells in our market. Isang test drive palang. Lots of power, super refined cabin, very comfortable ride. Can't say the same about Toyota these days. Masmatagtag pa yung 2015 Altis namin sa 2008 Altis namin. So disappointing!

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  6. The fortuner is under-equipped and too expensive for what you're getting. Drum brakes? No sun roof? Old school 3rd row seats? The 2M price has no basis.

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  7. But the Fortuner is better than the everest and montero. For me i'll just go for the izusu.
    Kahit makupad maaasahan nman.

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    1. Not sure if you're being serious or sarcastic.

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    2. really??? fortuner is better??? in what aspect?? you must be joking or just plain ignorant

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    3. Toyota is world's number in reliablity.
      And that undeniable fact is right infront of your nose!

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    4. I mean Toyota is number 1. The Everest is also reliable but the only problem is it cannot overtake the Trailblazer on the highway and uphill !

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    5. And Montero is the asian equivalent of volkswagen in what is called fuelgate cheating scandal !

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    6. Sa 4x4 halos pare parehas sila. pero sa entry level mo tignan, Sa pinas 99% nasa city at highway ka bakit mag 4x4.
      Yun Montero Sports GLS AT Diesel katapat nya un Fortuner G model AT Diesel.

      Mga Features na wala sa Fortuner G na meron sa Montero GLS

      8-speed
      Disc brake (Rear)
      Smart Entry
      Push Start System
      Back Camera
      Back Sensor
      Cruise Control
      DVD
      Dual Zone Aircon
      18 inch Mags
      8 speakers

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    7. Montero ka na lang! May malaking cash discount ka pa this June. Ang fortuner wala ka nang discount sasakit pa ulo mo sa transmission.

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  8. *Waits for Constantine Caacbay to Comment and Praise the all new Fortuner* lol :D

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  9. Ano kaakbay sinasabi mo bay?
    Kundi Sarao baka kalabaw lng ang sasakyan mo.
    Sikat ang fortuner uy !

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  10. Yon mga montero fan boy dyan, manginig na kau. Bankrupt na ang Mitsubishi, nabili na ng Nissan.

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    1. ha sir,. san mo nakuha yan sir di kaya bankrupt ang mitsubishi at mas successful ang mitsubishi kesa sa nissan nuh, wala pong katotohanan yun,. kumbaga usapang barbero lang yan

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    2. saka sir F.Y.I nagkameron lang po sila ng share ng nissan,. uulitin ko SHARE lang,. sir Research din ng kaunti sa google,. wag puro kinig sa sabi sabi,. peace sir

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    3. "Nissan bought 34% controlling stake in Mitsubishi". Please read the news. So it is now Nissan who is calling the shots managing mitsubishi vehicles !

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    4. The keyword is "CONTROLLING" !
      Hope its clear...

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    6. Having said that...the Montero will soon vanish in thin air. It will be rebadged as PATHFINDER to give nissan a visible presence in the PPV category.

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    7. But the new PATHFINDER aka Montero will not be based on the strada but instead use the softer Navarra ladder frame.

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    9. The rebadging of the Montero into PATHFINDER is Nissan's brillant solution to the famous SUA debacle of the Montero !

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    10. D na kailangan Palitan Montero. Successful na dto ang Mitsubishi. Sa ibang market Lang palpak.

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    11. Un Mitsubishi mag eexpand pa sila dito sa pinas at additional investment 4.3 billions pesos. Shares lang un binili ng Nissan, ewan ko lang kung sister company nga ang tawag. Establish na Mitsubishi kaya hindi na pakikialaman ng Nissan un mga production ng Mitsubishi.

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    12. I'll buy a Montero at any given day instead of the Fortuner. But don't ever confirm that it's going to be replaced by Nissan's Pathfinder. That model got discontinued because it sucks in every aspect.

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  11. Ok naman ang nissan. Kaso yon bagong Navarra malambot, parang bakla

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  12. For work or play..
    Ranger wildtrak is the way to go !!!

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    1. The 2.2 Ford Ranger is underpowered while the 3.2 4x4 Wildtrak plays catch-up to the Chevy Colorado's Duramax engine !!

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    2. Ha?.. and what's your basis for that?

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    3. Kasi ang wildtrak 180hp at 470nm lng.
      At saka mabagal umarangkada at hirap kumilos sa akyatan sa bundok..pero ok lng naman un mga abubot o accessories at least..

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    4. The CHEVY DURAMAX has an impressive 200HP x 500NM power and torque. Thats makes the TB & COLORADO the powerhouse and runaway leader on their class, hands down !!!

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    5. Believe whatever you want to believe but please stop trolling. The car being reviewed here is the Fort. And you keep bringing your advertising shit in here. As the author wrote before "if you want power get a drag racer!". Every person who has a car whatever brand or class believes that his/her car is special than any other car out there, for whatever reason that is it's his/her own prerogative. So please grow-up and have a life. Thank you!

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    6. Hijo...how can you decide the best buy if you dont compare?

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    7. Compare what? Your stupid nonsense versus logic? Go ahead race and boast your mighty Duramax engine out there, who knows next day or the other you'll become famous or DEAD.... Thanks to your mighty and powerful Duramax engine.

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    8. Hijo...driving is not for the woman hearted. Driving is fun if you drive safely. So go ahead and drive your muscle car kia picanto.

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    9. Kia picanto? You really are stupid as hell judging people left and right and what's with the Hijo thing? For your simple understanding Maricon; I do have a Chevy but that's nowhere near you're insignificant POS you call a poweful ride because it is a CAMARO!! Newly purchased truck is a Wildtrak, the wife drives a CRV and my son drives a Juke.. Now tell me maricon who will be the one to be better called a "Hijo". You use terms you don't even know just to sound smart for Godsake's you don't even have the balls to use your real name! Such a pity! Grow-up! Don't worry Chevrolet will give you a nice medal for your advertorial.

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  13. Nice unbiased review, unlike other reviews that are almost advertorial.

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  14. if only it was priced at 1.7M, I wouldn't even notice the innova's 2.8L detuned engine, the everest's superior features and the looks of the montero.

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  15. nice review! i hope you can also review the 2016 sportage sir uly, their gt line.. TIA!

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  16. Very good and unbiased review, sir Uly. On what mode did you get 7.93 km/l? Thanks

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    1. Mixed Eco and Normal. Kept Eco on for 5 days (week days) and used Normal during the weekend.

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  17. Nice Review Sir Uly, this is the best review of a Fort without implying the 'T' badge slap on it. I check personally on metal but no drive test. My initial view is almost the same as you. Fort model here is under specs coz they know Pinoy will buy their products blindly. Change is come, Toyota will not be the generic choice this coming generation unless they will step up their R&D Department.

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  18. I'm quite annoyed at those who buy a midsize 4x4 SUV and drives it alone in the city 99% of the time, and never even uses its 4x4 capabilities. Same to those who buy pickups and just drives it in the city. Just buy a city car, you all are eating up road and parking space.

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    1. True. Mga "macho" daw kuno. We know they are compensating for something.

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    2. Or we have just the means to buy top of the line vehicles.

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    3. Yeah right. At those prices you can buy a capable but smaller crossover especially if you're only going to use it in the city. Wag ka na humirit. Feeling macho lang talaga kayo. Maliliit naman ang mga "pag-aari".

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    4. Wala kasi 7 seater na cross over tsong. maliit Lang talaga kamay mo brad Kaya feeling mo malaki yan. Hahahah. For sure yang kamay na yan, yan Lang umiipit dyan. Haha

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    5. Gusto mo sagasaan kita ng 7 seater xtrail? No excuses.

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    6. Oh, I didn't realize that a 7-seater would need a bigger-than-usual parking space and wider roads. For the length, well a Honda City is 4440mm long and this current Fortuner is 4795mm...which is just about 14inches. Oh my, that's a lot of road space. Oh wait, somebody talked about a crossover...so let's look at Juke which is *gasp* 4125mm long. So does that mean that we shouldn't but the City because it occupies more road space?

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    7. 14 inches makes a lot of difference. Go ask your mom.

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    8. 14 inches is significant. Imagine thousands of cars x 14 inches. The worst is when every car is a big SUV or pickup, and there's limited parking space.

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    9. Sometimes it's easier to admit the truth. just simply say I hate these SUVs because I can't afford one.

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    10. So what some people here are saying is, 'the smaller the car, the better for traffic and parking spaces'. But then a lot of these same people won't be caught dead on a bike or even a friggin celerio or eon. Lots of bigots here.

      Oks lang naman kung compact sedan ang kaya mo sa budget mo eh-- walang basagan ng lang trip over a few millimeters.

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  19. Total rip-off! I'm caught between the montero & everest for my next purchase. Wont be buying toyotas for a while

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    1. do u have the money?

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    2. I already got a reservation for the montero gls premium 4x2 same as with my peers. Toyota will never have my business. Burn. both of you

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    3. You decided to early for the wrong choice.

      Nissan bought and subsequently took control of Mitsubishi. The Montero name plate will soon be rebadged as PATHFINDER using the Navarra platform.

      Scrapping the Montero is a brillant strategy by Nissan to show its presence in the PPV segment which it doesn't have an entry.

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    5. Good luck on the Montero. Balitaan mo na lang kami pag di nakayanan ng all-aluminum engine ang init dito sa Pinas at kelangan mo na magpalit ng cylinder head.

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    6. Halos lahat naman ng makina ngayon eh Aluminum na kasi iba na ang metallurgy ngayon. Marami ng innovations.

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  20. If you are considering montero or everest better choose Mux. Mitsubishi is bought by nissan means bankrupt while the everest is just second to trailblazer in power & torque. MuX is weak and slow but best value for money.

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    1. Buy a Santa Fe. And you'll be happy as iam for sure.

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    2. Not sure why a company's financial conditions is automatically cited a reason for not buying a Mitsubishi. The company is not bankrupt but financially vulnerable to takeover which was what actually happened. Nissan wants a stronger foothold or market presence in Asia and Mitsubishi has been more successful than Nissan in penetrating Asia's markets, including the Philippines.

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    3. Ang TANGA TANGA! nung nagcocoment na bankrupt na yung Mitsubishi, porket nagkaroon na share...repeat SHARE! lang sa Mitsubishi!....Mag research kyo mga TANGA! malaki po ang Mitsubishi at hindi po sila bankrupt...mga Toyota fan boys nato...ayaw admit na PANGET yung New Fortuner nila kompara sa New Monty. Mga na-uuto ng TOYOTA!

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    4. Nirerecomend ng nagcomment sa bankrupt ang mitsu ay MU X. Alam Ko Isuzu yun di Toyota. for sure di fanboy ng Toyota yan. bago Ka mag name calling magresearch Ka din at intindihin muna nakasulat para d magmukhang TANGA.

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    5. Kase pag bankrupt na ang mitsubishi mahirap na hanapin piesa...surplus na lng cguro at replacement...isa pa mahina na ang power ng montero.. 2.2 diesel na lng

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    6. Nahirapan nga humabol yon montero sa Mux fren ko..sabi nya...
      Un Everest nga hirapan sa Chevy TB yun Monty pa kaya..pa konswelo na lng Montero 9speed kuno ang gear....

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    8. Hindi ma bankrupt ang Mitsubishi nagkaroon pa nga ng additional investor un Nissan, Magtatayo pa nga ng Multi million dollar na planta sa Pinas.

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  21. Hi Uly, what features are different between the 4x4 V and 4x2 V models? As always, your reviews are the most truthful and informative out there!

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  22. Agree that this review provides a more objective assessment of the Toyota Fortuner than some reviews out there.

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  23. I just dont understand why the price is sooo expensive.... 2.2M ?? =(

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    1. I guess the Toyota badge is worth 500k. Maybe.

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  24. Sadly I rushed getting this unit replacing my 2010 fort. Only after 2 weeks driving it I realized "pareho lng halos sa feel" yes new dash and inst cluster pero mtagtag pa din. Not worth 2.2 mil. Go for the cheaper model or if you own an old fortuner consider opting for other SUV.
    Sir Uly good review, in my case thou the truth hurts... (BAKIT KASI NGAYON KA LANG NG TEST DRIVE NG 2.8V)

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    1. Sana kasi naging responsible buyer ka at sinubukan mo muna lahat bago ka bumili. No one to blame but yourself. Next time wag maging tanga.

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    2. Ok lang yan sir. Mag ipon ka lang for Bilstein/Ironman shocks. 50k/60k ata pero Lalambot tsaka better handling ang Fortuner mo. Tested and Proven. Wag mawalan ng pag asa. :)

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    3. Test drove the 2.4L 4x2 Fortuner na Fortuner parin ang ride. Pero at least mas pogi ngayon.

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    4. Ang harsh naman magsalita ng 1st reply. Hahaha. It's better to help him find other options to better his ride than to say that he is "tanga" on buying the new fort.

      It's like your saying that everyone who bought the new fort is tanga. :P

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    5. I'm not saying he's tanga because he bought a fortuner. I'm saying he's tanga because he wholly relies on reviews like these instead of actually test driving each options and choosing what he feels the most comfortable with.

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    6. 1st anonymous, hindi ako tanga my pambili lang. I have budget for my mistakes and currently waitlisted for a diff brand.

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    7. What good is your money if you can't even use it efficiently. Wag na tayo magpaikot ikot pa. Ang tanga, kahit may pera, ay tanga pa rin. Daming excuses. I'm saying this because it is the truth. Now go and improve on this aspect of your life.

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    8. "Now go and improve on this aspect of your life" haha.. mr anonymous gusto mo pasyal kita sakay ng range rover? kung mka ingles ka sablay naman. Wag mona patulan ikaw ang bastos mag advice. Nag ssbi lang totoo yung ng post

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    9. Range rover? Baka range rover ng amo mo. Sablay sablay ka dyan, eh maayos yan na ingles. Bakit di ka magtanong sa teacher mo? O di kaya wala ka matanungan kasi di ka nakapagtapos?

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    10. Lugi ka sa mababang model or variant ng Fortuner. Kung hindi 4x4. Mag iba ka nalang ng brand. Maraming wala sa entry level. Madidisappoint ka lang

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    11. Planning to get 2.8 fort.. nagdalwang isip na ko... thanks sa nagadvise thought malaking improvement sa previous. Great review Sir Uly.

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  25. The car to watch out in Toyota's lineup is not the Fortuner but the Innova.

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    1. Innova kung gusto mong magpakita ng muscle sa bigat ng steering wheel. ^_^

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    2. Mas mabigat steering wheel ng toyota 86. I know cause I have one.

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    3. Tapon mo na yan 86 mo basura yan. SLOW AS FUCK. Kahit Camry ko dudurugin yan sa Nlex o Slex. Nagyayabang ka pa sa basura mong sports car na mabagal. 0-100 kph niyan 7.5 seconds. Yuck. Loser. Sports car-sports car ka pa hindi ka naman nagpupunta ng track.

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    4. yun Lang kasi Kaya Ko bilhin at e maintain Na sports car. I never said it was extremely fast. And good luck sa pag break Ng rules. D Ko binili yun para makipag race sa nlex. your choice of car para pang race says a lot about you.

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    5. Wag mo pag race ang car Ng Tatay mo or Lolo mo. Baka Ka mapalo.

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  26. Seems matumal pa benta ng new innova. Bihira pa sa expressway.

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  27. Most of you guys here at the comment section has the money. But very few of you has class. Lets talk about the car not the buyer. Konting pino lang sana sa pananalita natin. Respect one another. Peace

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  28. Sadly, most people are so blinded by the Toyota badge and the handsome looks. Toyota sold almost 4000 units of the Fortuner last month.

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    1. Uhmm yeah, when the the masses voted for Pacquiao, we already know how low the level of intelligence our people has. The majority buying fortuners is to be expected because we're apparently a nation of dumb f***s.

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  29. this is the most 99% negative review i've read. during my vacation, we just bought a 2016 Fortuner 2.4 4x2 g dsl a/t in Toyota - La Union. engine & chassis are all made in Indonesia. even it's not power gate, still drum brakes, fabric seat, no push start button, no led lights, manual seat adjust, manual a/c, no backup sensor & camera i pick the right decision because of the responsive engine malakas humatak "uphill", maganda suspension sa lubak at "matipid" sa fuel maybe because of the ecomode. for ride quality, unlike Hilux hindi naman matatad kapag dumadaan sa lubak at maning-mani yung malalalim na lubak. spacious yung cabin 1st & 2nd row but yung 3rd row i must admit hindi kasya adult. center console touch screen is easy to use unlike the Everest. the material used inside the cabin are premium & doesn't look cheap like the seat fabric compared to Montero at ok din yung quality ng hard plastics & some touch of leather na ginamit. the 3rd row is easy to access thanks to one-touch tumble. even if the 3rd row is used, there is still enough cargo space at the back. yung a/c malamig kahit naka set sa low. for safety, you have to step on the brake pedal before you can shift the gear to p, r, n or d unlike the gear box design of Montero. also, if you accidentally turned off the engine while the gear is in r, n or d you will not be able to start or remove the key unless you select p. For Mitsubishi Montero Sport amid the fuel scandal, shares bought by Nissan, what happened to the the 3rd party that will investigate SUA?, discontinued Pajero & Lancer, I think they are going bankruptcy. kapag nasa driver seat sobrang lapit ng winshield konti na lang mauuntog ka na. masikip pa sa loob. yung e-park in replace ng hand brake sa tingin ko hindi safe lalo na kung may makulit ka na bata accidentally masagi niya yun button tumbling ang sasakyan mo. gear box design problem kaya i think sua is not a myth. For Ford Everest despite the increase in sales that you used to publish every month, I doubt it if it will translate to more service centers at kung totoo man iyan mura na sana piyesa nila kaya "can't afFORD". I also read na may nagliyab na Everest during its launching sa Australia. By the way Ford pulls out in Indonesia that's why they have to work hard on their advertisements in the Philippines. In Qatar, I saw a few sights of all-new Fortuner on the road but none of the Everest, Trailblazer or Mux except for Montero (once). I'm happy w/ my Fortuner & I'm planning to add accessories in my next vacation.

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    1. Fanboy! Enjoy mo nlng fort mo boss. Wag kna lng manira sa iba model.

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    2. Ok sir. Salamat sa iyong opinion. Palakpakan natin. Wooohoooo :)

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    3. Dear Mr. 6/11 12:49 AM

      I normally don’t respond to comments like these, but I think I’ll make an exception in this case because I’d like point out some details that make it obvious you haven’t spent time with the Montero Sport and Everest.

      First, I agree the Fortuner does have good ride over the rough stuff. I mentioned it both during the First Drive feature as well as in this review. However, it fails when you drive it in the city. Now, maybe you spend more time driving off-road, and the Fortuner is good there, but there’s no denying that both low-speed and city driving refinement are lacking.

      Second, again, I did mention that the all-new Fortuner is still spacious. It doesn’t have the same headroom as it did before (again, you can read that in the review).

      Third, you CANNOT shift the gear lever of the Montero Sport WITHOUT stepping on the brake pedal. The earliest Montero Sport didn’t have a shift override yes, but the newer ones (those equipped with the VGT engine and the all-new 2016 model) have them. So you have to press on the brakes to shift the gearlever out of Park.

      Fourth, we still do not know what’s going to happen with the Nissan/Mitsubishi alliance, but they didn’t file for bankruptcy as you mentioned. Nissan simply bought into the company. Nissan saw it as an opportunity because of Mitsubishi’s tanking share value brought about the fuel mileage scandal in Japan. This alliance will actually strengthen both brands bringing forth better and more affordable products. MMPC for instance, mentioned the possibility that their Santa Rosa plant may start to assemble Nissan products alongside Mitsubishi ones. They will also share resources in R&D as well.

      Fifth, the electronic parking brake CANNOT be disengaged unless your foot is firmly on the brake pedal. This is the case with the all-new Montero Sport and the same with any vehicle equipped with an electronic parking brake.

      Sixth, the Everest that burned down in Australia is of an incorrectly replaced car battery. Ford says it’s a one-off incident and that it was caused because, and I quote, “The findings were that one of six battery cables was not properly located under a bolt. This caused high resistance in the electrical system, and that generated heat.”

      Finally, yes, Ford is pulling out of Indonesia mainly because of the unfavorable market conditions there. Ford, not having a local manufacturing footprint, didn’t find the importation of vehicles from Thailand to be favorable to their business there. That’s the reason why they shut it down. It’s the same decision they’ve done in Japan.

      As Mr. 6/11 9:52 AM said, enjoy your Fortuner, but do not share misinformation.

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    4. ^typical fort owner po yun... nagpapalakas ng loob para kunwari di sya nagkamali sa pagbili ng fort! Pero sa totoo hinayang yan sa pinagpaguran nya $$$ sa qatar... Kawawa talaga mga ofw natin lagi naloloko pati ba naman toyota tsk!

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    5. Fanboy mode! We got your point no need to put down other brands. Blah blah!

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    6. Ride comfort battle 2016 Fortuner vs Jeepney
      parehong matigas at Tagtag PERO
      Winner-> 2016 Fortuner mas makapal ang upuan.
      Halatang walang ibang alam si mr Tortuner kundi yong Tortuner nya.

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    7. Fortuner maybe (maybe not) inferior to its competitor, pero filipinos are buying it hindi dahil wala silang alam kundi dahil gusto nila ng pangmatagalang unit. I remembered 10 years ago, nasira 'yung ______ ko (not a Toyota), talagang nahirapan ako makahanap ng pyesa, ng dinala ko sa casa, yung pyesa kasing halaga ng unit ko. Yung fx namin na ginagamit na pang negosyo, hanggang ngayon may makikita kang pyesa. Yung ibang SUV, okay sana hangga't hindi kayo magkakaproblema... sabi nga, sa mga pagsubok mo makikita ang tatag... If I have the money, I'll go for the Fort, I'll go for the unit na common, 'yung unit na mas marami... Sa akin lang naman... kaso pang kotse lang ang pera ko...

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    8. Kung pyesa ang pag uusapan halos parehas wala parin sila kasi nga All New Models. Maganda lang ang availability ng Toyota parts sa old models. Sa Ford talaga mahirap ang parts kahit sa US mahirap pa rin.

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    9. Lumang kwento na yan. kung akala nyo mura ang parts sa Casa ng Toyota mali kayo, pare-parehong mahal sobra! kung availability naman ng parts lahat ng Japanese cars dito madali lang kahit sa labas ng Casa, mga korean made medyo mahirap maghanap.

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  30. Fortuner is quite ok but the problems are exterior design. It becomes feminine or pambabae an dating. Sira ang macho image ng nagmamaneho. It also lacks the oomph and power needed when the going gets rough !!!

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    1. That's the problem with you people. Pamacho-macho kayo. Compensating for something maybe. Baka maliit yung sa ibaba no? Kaya pala abusado kayo sa daan, nag fifeeling pala kayo.

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    2. Expected reply from mahinhin guys who drive Pink Celerio and Yellow Hyundai Eon like you....

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    4. Excuse me, I don't drive those kind of cars. Feeling ka lang talaga. Macho ka na ba kapag nagmamaneho ka nito? Ang dami kaya babaeng nagmamaneho nito because of the supposed added safety thanks to the large size (which is not true by the way). I prefer crossovers and compact sedans than these SLOW, cumbersome SUVs. Walang sinabi tong mga SUVs kahit na yang pinagyayabang mong trailblazer sa Forester.

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    5. Yan ang problema eh. Nagkaroon lang ng ganitong sasakyan mayabang na sa daan. Pati sa groups nagyayabangan sinasabing best ang sasakyan nila at nang aasar sa ibang brands ng suv.i think insecure lang sila at immature. Okay lang sana magyabang kung talagang mamahalin yung suv but these are just suv na pang masa

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  32. The accesories of the Montero and Everest is better than the Fortuner while the MuX is too slow. These are Not the things the adventurous man of heart needs, what matters most is the Power and Torque the engine puts up when challengers lurks and competition looms in the rugged trails and highways. Hence, those who lead always pick the most superior engine in the PPV segment which is undeniably the Chevrolet TRAILBLAZER and COLORADO !!!

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    1. Okay yang Trailblazer at Colorado, pero long term, pag nagumpisa na ng sira yan, doon mo makikita value ng Toyota... Saka try to see buy and sell sites, see kung sino ang mas mataas na resale value...

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    2. Hindi ka naman bibili ng SUV para sa resale value lang. Kung bibili dapat What you want and What you need. At kung masaya ka sa nabili mo

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  33. Bravo amigo.. gi tumbok mo dong !

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  34. To all readers, pls comment fairly. Walang personalan. Magmahalan kayo, malapit na ang pasko!

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  35. kahit hindi kayo mag-test drive i-try niyo i-visit yung Mitsubishi showroom yung cabin space especially for the driver seat for the Montero mauuntog or masasagi ng tuhod mo yung arc design ng center console. true.

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    1. Nasanay ka lang sa Jeepney. true.

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    2. Actually agree ako dito-- di ko din nagustuhan yung available legroom spatce at the front row. Sa test drive ko laging sumasayad yung right knee ko sa center 'dynamic shield' designed console.

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    3. maganda sana yun montero 2016 model pero nasobrahan naman ng aesthetics na kinain na ng space yung arc ng center console maganda sa mata yung design pero siyempre kapag aapakan mo yung gas may sagabal sa tuhod same as sa front passenger seat disadvantage ito sa mga matatangkad na pinoy.

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  36. Nice review carguide ph, unlike other reviews na halatang biased. Personally, like the everest overall. Looks, maganda ang space sa loob, all features are helpful and cool, and the ride is comfy. Montero medyo masikip sa loob and hindi ko gusto yung looks ng rear. Sa test drive unit, rinig ko yung bumps and cracks on the road unlike sa everest and fortuner. Fortuner, although it is an improvement, it's not justifiable sa price dahil lang reliable ang toyota. The competitors simply out class the fortuner sa features. At the end, walang best sa mga ito lahat may pros and cons. Ang "best" suv is based on the buyers alone. All these suv are good and does the job as an everyday car.

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    1. Bought the all new eve. I have waited this Fortuner till it's available to do a test drive and I'm glad I did. Also test drove the all new Eve and the all new Montero before buying my new vehicle. what you're saying about noise inside the montero is BS. By the way the Eve is the quietest Interior while Montero is in second spot 3rd is the Fortuner not only you can here and feel the bumps and cracks you can also hear it's engine same with hilux. reliability of toyota is a myth now a days ever hear about the shift shock yet? or Jerky tranny? since this is about fortuner review can you also list what's good about montero?

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    2. The everest has very ugly front and rear. So bad that even kids jokingly refers to the bumper as "Darna". Very girlish nga naman.

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  37. Nice review. I own a 3.0 MU-X and get 10.5km/L in city driving with an average speed of 17km/h. The worst I've done in Manila traffic is 9.2km/L with an average speed of 15km/h. I was expecting Toyota to have better numbers considering the advanced technology (engine, transmission, eco-mode).

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    1. Fuel economy does not always translate to savings. The MuX for example has a very weak engine so that you have to step hard on the gas pedal to make a decent move thus consuming more gas. Sum total, you use more gas besides underpowered.!

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    2. I already get better mileage. That alone makes me feel good about my decision to get the MU-X. It has more than enough power for me and my family. Wish I could afford to get the top of the line Fortuner with all it's bells and whistles but knowing that I already saved more about 750+K with the huge price difference. I can sleep soundly.

      Not here to compete. Just giving my fuel consumption numbers for comparison sake. Peace.

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  38. We have the 3 4wd fortuners with 270Kkms/1st gen 90Kkms/2nd gen and 105Kkms for the 3rd gen. We bought the new one and our reaction was OK lang. Much powerful engine, some toys. But its wasnt that a big improvement. They removed the fulltime 4wd which was the best features of the old fortuners. We bought the fortuner for its bullet proof reliability, ease of maintenance and cheap OEM spare parts.

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    1. Well, if others do not want to buy the Fort, go ahead buy the other SUV's. If Fortuner sold 4,000 plus units last May 2016, then even if you combine the units sold of other SUV's, Fortuner would still be number one. For me, no other mid size SUV but Fortuner. I'm happy with my 2014 Fort and 2009 Innova, both matic. Walang sakit sa ulo, palaging satisfied every time I drive them.

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  39. boring but bulletproof

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  40. We have the 3 4wd fortuners with 270Kkms/1st gen 90Kkms/2nd gen and 105Kkms for the 3rd gen. We bought the new one and our reaction was OK lang. Much powerful engine, some toys. But its wasnt that a big improvement. They removed the fulltime 4wd which was the best features of the old fortuners. We bought the fortuner for its bullet proof reliability, ease of maintenance and cheap OEM spare parts.

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    1. Having 3 Fortuners does not make sense. This MPV has never made it top on againts other Suv's in the same category ! Look further...

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    2. Toyota was never known to push the envelope and I don't think they're trying to. It understands that its customers are looking for high overall reliability and dependability. Its models may not have the best/fastest engines or the best interiors/toys/features, but they get consistently high marks for these attributes.

      It's like hiring an employee-- would you rather have a high-profile/performance employee who won't stick around after a year, or a consistent topnotch employee who'll still be there after 10 years?

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    3. hey how can you say that the ful time 4wd was the best feature of the old one? hindi ba siya hindi ba affected sobra ung fc niya? since kung kelangan nyo naman ng extra traction sa part time kasi madulas na ground like kung muddy.. pwede namna mag 4H? malaki ba difference nya kesa sa 2wd na takbo? im genuinely asking a question since im in a dilemma of getting a relatively 2nd hand model or getting the new one.

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  41. Hi Mr. Ang. I'm in the market for a new SUV and have scrutinized the new fortuner on the showroom floor. That A-pillar makes it very difficult for tall persons like me (I'm 6'1") to get into the driver's seat. I have to bow my head down every time I try to get in and out and the effort hurts my neck. That was the deal breaker for me. I had to cross the new fortuner off of my list.

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    1. I haven't had any issues with Ingress (I'm 5'7"), but the new Fortuner does have significantly lower headroom than it did before. Though the Montero Sport felt tighter.

      If you want something with lots of headroom, try the new Innova.

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    2. Thank you for your reply. Sitting in the driver's seat, the fortuner had good space. I noticed that the new montero sport with a/t has less room up front because of the swooping center console that curves into the foot well. The m/t model doesn't have the same center console which allows it to have more room.

      Headroom while already sitting in the seats is adequate for both the new fortuner and the new montero sport. It's the getting in and out of the front seats where the fortuner falls short for tall people.

      I've also tried out the Ford Everest. It's got a really great interior and there is nothing but rave reviews about it, but, ingress and egress from the 3rd row seats is very difficult. Unlike the rest of the SUVs in it's class, the Everest's 2nd row seats do not fold and tumble forward. For family men like me who ferry around up to 7 members of my household, relatively easy access to that 3rd row is crucial.

      The new Innova is a good package. I'm considering it as a replacement for my 14 year old Isuzu crosswind xuv a/t. At the moment, though, I'm in the market for a 4x4 SUV to replace my 27 year old Gen 1 Pajero. It's down to the new montero sport or the 3.0 isuzu mu-x. Both of which, based on the reviews, have the softest ride.

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  42. Hi uly if you had to choose, would you get a fortuner or everest? Every factor included together with the "toyota" name badge. Thank you.

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  43. Sir Uly already presented his observations from actual driving. You dont have to ask him. Its for you to decide based on the merits of the car. Its your car. Do not let other guy decide whom you will marry!

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  45. Hi Uly, are there toyota genuine accessories for the front & rear bumper of the new Fortuner? Appreciate if you could share the link to us. Thanks.

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  46. Pinag compare ko un entry level ng Toyota Fortuner at Mitsubishi Montero
    Baduy ang color ng seat and panel ng Fortuner.
    Most of the features are not installed.
    Yun Montero Sports GLS AT Diesel katapat nya un Fortuner G model AT Diesel.

    Mga Features na wala sa Fortuner G na meron sa Montero GLS

    8-speed
    Disc brake (Rear)
    Smart Entry
    Push Start System
    Back Camera
    Back Sensor
    Cruise Control
    DVD
    Dual Zone Aircon
    18 inch Mags
    8 Speakers
    Mas Mahal sya
    Paki correct na lang ako kung may mali pero na check ko na yan showroom nila
    Hindi ko naman sinisiraan un Toyota Fortuner kaso grabe naman sila tapatan naman nila un specs ng competitors nila. Parang hindi SUV tapos jerky pa. Hindi lahat bibili ng 4x4 kasi 99% percent na gamit mo kung hindi city or highway lang.

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    1. All-aluminum engine. Mitsubishi's first ever.

      Let that fact sink in for just a sec before you consider it a feature. I was 5 minutes away from shelling out hard-earned cash for the new Montero but the SA and service manager couldn't answer my questions about the engine.

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    2. Question : Mga Features na wala sa Fortuner G na meron sa Montero GLS?

      Answer : SUA*

      * kung tinuloy lang sana ng DTI ang imbestigasyon eh di sana may peace of mind yung mga iba nagbabalak bumili ng SUV nila.

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    3. Lahat ng Engine ngayon sa mga bagong sasakyan eh aluminum na. Iba na ang metallurgy ngayon, may bagong innovations, naiwan ka na yata sa 90's

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    4. SUA sa luma pwede pa kaso nawala na yun issue kasi nailabas na un All new 2016. Kahit sa ibang bansa wala. Nung launching lang lumabas ang SUA. Iba na un all new na 4x4 may FCM. Forward collision Mitigation nag automatic brake pag malapit ka ng bumangga at Misacceleration Mitigation hindi aandar pag nagkamali ng tapak sa accelerator. Ang kinaganda ng issue ng SUA bumaba ang presyo ng Montero pero kung walang issue, mahal sigurado dahil sa mga features. At least nakakuha ako ng Monty may 170k discount pa

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  47. Ok na ako sa 2000 model Kia Carnival ko ang importante dinadala ako sa gusto ko puntahan.

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    1. at nagsayang ka pa magbasa ng review ng fortuner 4x4 kung masaya ka na sa 2000 kia carnival mo tapos nagsayang ka pa ng oras magcomment para sabihin yun.

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  48. I experienced to owned a toyota , mitsubishi for a year and try nissan but when I bought my brandnew car I choose ISUZU BRAND Crosswind nga lang coz kulang sa budget but for almost two years exellent perfornance regarding aircon,off road and engine capability less maintenance and diesel saver yon lang 130kph pa lang na try ko takbo nya in a sitting capacity lakas humatak. and I also try two river crossing in the province with picture gulat mga tao kala 4x4 sakyan namin and even in rainy season at NLEX and SLEX during our skoling at camp vicente lim Laguna sabi mga kasama ko sir ginawa mong parang motor boat sakyan natin coz bawal ma late sa skoling at my typhoon on that time...so if i ever upgade my car I choose again ISUZU BRAND with their all new model the 1.9 ISUZU BLUE POWER MU-X or d-max if our great architect of the universe permits ok naman lahat brand gamay gamay lang mga sirs and ateng ...

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    1. Wala ka yatang alam. Walang airbag yang bulok mong crosswind. Mausok pa.

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    2. Mausok, matagtag, maingay, maraming rattle, masakit ang likod kasi walang lumbar support, grandpa design, etc. These are the problems of Crosswind. May bumibili pa pala?

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    3. Yes may bumibili pa. Di mo ba alam ang crosswind daw ang top selling unit ng Isuzu? Yes I'm not joking, the crosswind is selling well. Too many dumb Filipinos in the market I suppose.

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  49. sir uly, how is the FC of the new 2.8 compared to the old one? im assuming its more matipid since this can run on purely 2wd..from what i know, the old 4x4 is a full time 4wd with center diff locks?

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  50. Hi sir. I'm considering to buy a fortuner 4x2 but i can't decide whether to get the V or G variant because mainly of the price difference. Considering no added safety features, is the 260k price gap worth it on the V variant? or just pogi points lang..

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    1. Hello Sir, I own a G 4x2 Diesel A/T variant. I choose the G over the V variant because of practicality. Pagdating sa safety, parehas kasi sila ng bilang ng SRS airbags (driver, knee, passenger). Parehas din na bago 2.4L engine dating 2.5L, huwag lang yung G Gas variant kasi yung makina luma na since 2005 pa. May Eco/Power Mode Switch parehas din. Kahit G variant siya makikita mo na premium at hindi cheap yung mga materials (plastics) na ginamit sa loob kahit fabric seat kasi kinumpara ko sa V na leather (parang manipis) seat sa showroom noon. Disadvantage kasi ng leather is kapag nabutasan. tsaka upuan lang naman ang mahalaga bago makina. 17" vs 18" alloy wheels, rim design at daytime runnig lights ay lamang yung V. Power back door sa V variant meron din disadvantage lalo na kapag may pilit ka isiksik sa likod hindi nmn pwede puwersahan isara yung likod kasi automatic nagsasara baka masira mo pa yung mechanical parts ng back door at kapag nasira sigurado mahal ipa-ayos. For me yung 260k price gap is not worth it, better save it for car accessories in the future.

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    2. thank you for your input sir..

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  51. why the 2016 fortuner ph you can still drive even if the handbrake raised up ?

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  52. lahat ba nangFortuner 2016 ph nagdridrive ka nakataas ang handbreak nakalimotan molang sandali ibaba umaandar.

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  53. that Pricing though... sorry but not justified...

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  54. How come this still uses drum brakes at the rear while its competitors already uses disc brakes all around? Do you guys think that this will also use disc brakes all around in the future?

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