Hala, pa sikretong comrades lng pala mga kilala ko na came to from owning Toyotas tapos naging owners ng Chinese cars.

Makikita mo sa CAMPI sales report na Toyota market share sa pinas di naapektohan ng china brands. Byd mostly eat other china car brands market share here specially Geely and maybe some share of legacy brands.

Trends happening sa lowest levels shouldn't be disregarded. Given that experts expect Chinese cars to take 20% of the PH market you have to assume market share will be taken from a top player like Toyota. If you think about it, the small growth that Toyota had last year could've been much more if not for the new options taking away their would-be customers.

Tingnan mo sa CAMPI sales report bro actual yan di assume. Wag ka masyado mag assume dipa yan sure sa actual ka mag base pra totoo. Toyota ph introducing so many models now to depend and even to increase further its market share.

If total car sales of Chinese cars keep increasing every year then they're not stealing each other's market share. That's not how the math works. Every additional Chinese car sold compared to the previous year was a potential Toyota/Ford/Mistubishi/etc sale. You can't make your own rules just because you don't like what's happening.

Landcruiser buyers not interested in buying a lower price low quality low prestige wannabe. They will buy a Landcruiser because they have the money and want a Landcruiser, and not looking to buy a low quality low prestige low price substitutes.

People who buy LCs brand new does not concern themselves with the P1.3M price difference with the likes of a Jetour. These types of people understand the value of such brands, which as of this writing, a Jetour G700 does not have. Maybe in 10 years.

On another note, people who are bargain hunters may find the GWM Haval H7 interesting, and the brand can possibly gain some traction if they market this really well and back it up with the proper after sales reliability and support. Maybe.

You have to wipe out whatever thoughts u have about Chinese quality now, it's no longer the same as 10yrs ago. In the UAE, Tank and Haval have a 10 warranty on the engine and power train. Summer temp there could reach 100`. Many Chinese cars are exported to other countries with tough environment like South Africa. GWM's Tank is a favorite vehicle in the Australian outback.

buying a car for prestige is a poor man's mindset.

Discaya mindset yan. Galawang new rich.

That...I'm not sure. But GWM PH's official specs indicate Hi4 as their term for their PHEV. Maybe it will change when it launches.

While I wish GWM PH well, however there are signs that the company is disorganized. Ora 300, H6 and Jolion are no longer in their web pages). These were pioneer models for them 3 years back. There were also models that were shown in MIAS and eventually it did not sell. MengLong(Raptor) and Gaoshan never got to our shores. MIAS 2025 had Tank 300 SUV, the Ora 03 electric hatchback, and the Haval H9 SUV. So far only H9 is being sold. Tank 300 and Ora 03 never took off? GWM has been in the country for few years, would H7 finally give the numbers for this marque?

Not much GWM dealership network

You can make any car last, problem is how difficult it is. Almost every cars, even chinese cars are somehwat durable nowadays… For chinese cars though, its probably a headache later on in its life because of parts availability, especially in 10 years where heavy pms is needed… bushings, engine mounts, water pumps, hoses etc get worn out and may need replacing and where are you gonna get that? And how much? How long is the waiting time? Think very hard…

Those same parts that you mentioned that are used to repair non-Chinese cars are affordable made in China parts na third party so why do you assume that same sourcing can't apply to Chinese cars? For example, maraming Geely parts na ang available that you can buy in many non-casa shops. It seems like you haven't thought about things hard enough. 🤔

Somewhat durable only? Parts procurement would probably be a major problem. Chinese automakers just focus on selling and selling vehicles. They don't seem to care much on aftersales service and parts availability. Good luck!

@anon 9:13AM

You buy chinese made aftermarket parts for jap cars? Bro... That's kinda dumb. Only use originals for the essentials.

Ikaw na bahala sa buhay mo bro. Matanda ka naman. Basta walang sisihan.

You can pay casa prices for parts all you want. Personal choice mo din yan pero if people are talking about parts availability then don't disregard the real world practices that keep cars alive and on the road.

It's not like the Chinese parts are brand-less. With everything, you learn what Chinese brands work. My work (local government) has a large fleet of vehicles (mostly jap, with some Fords too) that are heavily abused with some models nearing 15 years old. The contracted shop that handles repairs and maintenance has long used such parts with the average lifespan and durability comparable to OEM stuff.

I know it's kinda scary to think about using aftermarket stuff but trusted mechanics and shops have the experience and knowledge to know what works, and, more importantly, what lasts (according to price ofc, because there are premium Chinese parts also).

The parts are there for car owners (Chinese and non-Chinese, don't gamble with very rare parts tho, Ford apparently has a lot of those that you can/should only buy original). Just don't dive into it blindly. That should go without saying. Go to a trusted shop and you'll see how normal it is and how confident the mechanics are about using those parts.

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That actually proves my point... yes, you can maintain Chinese cars, but it often comes with unnecessary headaches. Even just finding decent and reliable aftermarket parts is already a struggle. You’ll probably end up doing a lot of trial and error.

And let’s be real... even aftermarket parts from the same brand don’t always perform consistently, especially those weird chinese ones. Just because something worked perfectly on one car doesn’t mean it will work the same on another.

Then there’s the bigger question... how confident are you that mechanics here really know how to handle these newer Chinese cars? Most of them built their experience on older Japanese models, not on the relatively new Chinese vehicles entering our market.

So it’s not just about whether you can maintain one but rather it’s about how much inconvenience you’re willing to deal with along the way.

Your main argument is hinged on you doing your own sourcing and repairs on your car. How much of the population do you really think can (or are willing to) change their own bushings or water pumps?

The answer to all you're saying is simple; just find a reputable shop.
They do all the work; they look for the right parts and brands and they (the shop) have guarantees on those parts and their work which is what gives them a good reputation. There. Done. No headaches. That's already assuming that you've moved past the very real option for just going with the casa if you're really bent on going OEM and cost (casa mark-up is real for any brand) isn't an issue for you but you seem to have already decided that this option won't be available in 10 years time.

Cars aren't really that different. The Chinese aren't going to waste millions/billions coming up with different designs for what already works (insert copycat jokes here). IF you REALLY don't want to use aftermarket Chinese stuff you (again, through the shop) can find US/European/Japanese parts that match the specs for your parts. There's enough teardown/inspection videos on the internet where you can see that Chinese cars also regularly use well-known brand parts so just buy those if you want. For the actual new tech stuff; the complicated tech on newer Chinese cars is gonna be just as complicated as the tech on newer Japanese cars so as long as your car has all that newer tech then your argument, about the mechanics only knowing older Japanese cars, basically cancels itself out.

After writing all that up, I've found myself thinking something so I have to ask; are you actually a car owner? Or maybe you've just never owned an older car and are unfamiliar with the process of maintaining it outside a casa? Because your statement, "it often comes with unnecessary headaches" can basically be used to describe ownership of older cars in general. 😅 It takes effort to be a good car owner and it's really easy to abuse cars which explains why not many (in terms of absolute numbers) cars actually make it to 10, 15, or 20 years. I mean no offense but it feels like I shouldn't have to explain the real world scenario in such detail to someone who should be familiar with the car ownership process ✌️

In summary, you've conceded that you CAN maintain Chinese cars and it's just that we simply disagree on the topic of convenience/inconvenience and I actually feel that this discussion can help people gain better perspective based on our respective arguments even if our positions on the matter don't change.

Conceded? Did you even read the earlier comment dated April 15, 2026 at 1:34 AM? It’s already there.

Let me point it out for you, I said: “You can make any car last, the problem is how difficult it is.” 🤦

And it’s not just about water pumps, bro. I said “etc.” That includes other hard-to-find parts. Maybe head gaskets, some sensors, even transmission parts since some of them use this dual clutch transmission.

Since you’re questioning my car ownership, I used to have a 2004 Lancer (we sold it two years ago). Right now, I own a 13-year-old Subaru, a 9-year-old Toyota, and a 9-year-old Ford Focus... all with very different experiences when it comes to sourcing parts.

Guess which one is the hardest to maintain? I think everyone already knows.

For the reputable shop argument, I think as a responsible car owner you need to also have to do due diligence yourself. Mahirap iasa mo na lang lahat sa "reputable" shop. My experience with numerous shops already, they sometimes like to replace good parts, para iisa na lang daw, that's overselling. And sometimes some of these guys quote you with expensive replacement parts, a simple check ng price sa shopee mura lang pala... So yes finding a reputable shop, ang dali lang sabihin but in reality sobrang hirap nito, its another trial and error thing.

Point is, you can maintain a Chinese car... but it really depends on your patience, your willingness to deal with trial and error, and how much effort you’re willing to put into sourcing parts.

Established brands like Toyota are easy. Subaru takes some effort and community support. A niche Ford? Well good luck.

Now imagine applying that to a 10-year-old Chinese car in the Philippines, where the network is still relatively young and uncertain.

At the end of the day, it’s your call. I’m not saying it’s impossible... just that it depends on how much inconvenience you’re willing to tolerate.

Conceded was the wrong word. Acknowledged would have been a better word given the context. Apologies. The water pump example wasn't meant to narrow the range of parts we're talking about. That's not the intention there. It was purely about going the DIY route.

While I agree that finding a reputable shop will take its own trial and error, the point there is that the experience of finding such a shop will be the same whether you have a Chinese or Japanese car. A shop that wants to oversell you will try to do so even if you have a Toyota with easy to find parts. Bringing this up is only muddying the discussion, imo. But I think we agree (maybe?) that when you find that shop then the many inconveniences will be taken care of, and that's the heart of the issue.

Yes, the networks of some brands are relatively young but you're leaning heavily on the glass-half empty side of the uncertain future. You can hedge your chances on which brands will be better positioned in 10 years based on how they're moving now by looking at who are investing heavily in parts warehouses, the number of dealerships, etc.

It's not a sure thing, of course. History has showed that even big reputable brands like VW can be a failure in our local market because they seemed to really not care about investing here.

We're just speculating on the future but I find myself leaning on the position that it's not going to be as inconvenient as you are expecting. Again, we disagree there and that's fine.

IMO the BYD S6 has been around at least since 2023, the year the company I work bought one, and assigned to me. It was and still is a good vehicle.

However, it's 2026 and there have been significant improvements and or additional features for the latest vehicles like the Geely X5 DMi and or the Tiggo REV LE.

The H7 Hi4 is of newer and better tech than the S6 . Haval (GWM) is one of the Big 5 Chinese Auto Manufacturers predicted to still be operational in 5 years along with BYD, Geely, Chery, and Changan. Supposedly Haval has the best Pick-ups in China.

We've reserved an H7 Hi4 4WD as it has good reviews on its predecessors as well as its latest 2026 year model, and has very good value for money at P1.698M less P70K dis count for those who paid the promo (non-refundable)P2K Reservation Fee during the MIAS '26. They've extended this promo at their dealerships at least until this Friday.

We chose the 4WD version as it's truly more all-terrain, and all weather (AWD/4WD safety is our top priority) than the 2WD at only P200K more, so the 4WD is much better value than the 2WD though it is less energy efficient due to more weight, an add'l electric motor, a more complex DHT, etc..

Haval claims a 0-100Kph time of 5.9s (4WD version) to 6.4s depending upon the variant. Both the 2WD and 4WD have a Wading Depth of .6m which is good for the usual flooding in Manila.

It is of monocogue design and a multi-link rear suspension for a better ride, but one will need a Body on Frame/Solid Rear Axle for hard core, rock climbing capability.

The H7 Hi4 4WD PHEV may be the lowest priced 4WD(AWD?) SUV PHEV at this time.

This may sound like an advertisement for the H7, it is not.
However, the company is always trying to get the best value for its hard earned money, and the H7 Hi4 4WD is it at this time.

Hoped the above helped.

Battery of the GWM Haval H7 is sourced from SVOLT Energy Technology. Lithium-ion. No harm giving it a try.

@ Anonymous April 15, 2026 at 11:01 AM

For the H7 Hi4 some articles indicate Lithium Ion as NCM, and some indicate Lithium Ion as LFP. Would you know what the battery chemistry truly is?