Toyo fans (aka Toyotards) will still buy this though...

Not the point habibi

Isn't that fast enough? And where would you even use that much speed, considering very heavy traffic even in Skyway?!

Using ICE marine engines as an example doesn't seem appropriate.

I don't have experience with them but I've read that they operate at basically full load most of the time whereas car engines are usually at half-load or less for most of their lives.

For me, a closer example would be China buses (engines and all). There's a reason why local bus companies have been very happy with ordering and maintaining large numbers of China buses is because they have a proven and tested track record already on Philippine roads (we all know how abused buses are here). There are a few documentary style videos on the topic on YouTube; I highly recommend "The Rise of Chinese Buses in the Philippines" by Gabcee. That specific video contains some sections that bring up how older China buses had US or Japanese engines but now it's all Chinese engines and the reliability/quality has not suffered.

True. I have a japanese brand but made in thailand car. 12 years strong and the only major repair it required was for the aircon

its the cheap price of china bus and not the quality why bus company chose it. China bus na sinasakyan ko sa negros pinapatay ang aircon pag umaakyat na sa matarik na bundok. Sementado naman pero sabi ng driver kailangan patayin aircon kasi mahirapan makina umakyat.

@anon Dec 15 11:35 am

I'd rather put my trust in the bus nerds in that video (who literally say that the quality is not an issue) and people who I know who often ride buses from Negros Occidental to Negros Oriental. Having a bus travel with that kind of problem is incredibly rare/bad luck and definitely not the norm. Given what is essentially a monopoly with Ceres a single negative trip out of hundreds in a day would still translate to a 99+% quality/reliability rate

its always the case everytime i rode a ceres china bus from san carlos to bacolod pinapatay ng driver aircon pag nasa matarik na. At mga upoan sira sira na mga recline adjustment kahit bago pa mga unit. by the way im a resident of negros and i trust my real life experienced than those maybe paid you tuber? Or say lets say china propagandists?

Funnily enough, I was in San Carlos yesterday for work. Ate at Mr C for lunch and had a couple of kids sing carols for money (and an older lady who just straight up asked for money). Left at around 4 pm when the temperature started to cool down and some teens with motorcycles started to congregate around the plaza near Mr C (also looked like that's around the time that those small kiosks/food stalls start setting up). I also saw a lot of signage on streetlights na may bago na EMCOR nag bukas.

Back to the earlier point, even our Toyota van nag struggle sa parts sang bukid nga ga incline right after a sharp turn (so you lose momentum by slowing down) pero ga duda ko gyapon na indi ina kaya sang Ceres ang amo lng na. Tani indi ka mag pagusto akusar sir/ma'am sang amo na sa mga tawo nga bal-anon nimo may credibility mag present sila sang ila na subject matter (talking about the you-tubers).

So, btw also, taga negros man ko and ang imo na nga claim wala ya ga santo sa akon man personal experience (kag sa pagpamangkot ko sa mga kilala ko - including former Ceres bus drivers; siling ka isa na former driver na the buses that are used for harder routes are rated to handle those harder routes, so they never turn off the aircon for that reason). lol

PS, may na kaon kami na snacks na chopped chicken mixed with fries and cheese sauce, namit to ha. 🤤 Nugon alang2 kami sa oras kay usually ga bakal pa kami na peanuts antes mag puli. 😅

I'm going to ask you a few questions to allow you to maybe reflect on your statement that price is the only reason.

Why are car journalists and car executives (like the Ford CEO) from outside China saying that these cars are different now and are actual competition? These experts are the kinds of people who just by driving a car can feel the difference between a good and a bad quality car.

Why are Chinese cars seeing more and more positive news, reviews, and market share in markets outside China? Australians need reliability so why are they buying more? Singaporeans are educated and have money to buy quality, so why has BYD become their #1 car knocking out Toyota?

I am not endorsing Chinese cars but we have to stop with the all or nothing, 'only good' or 'only bad' statements. There have been many bad car companies before (around the world) and true bad experiences have ended those companies quickly. Truly bad cars can't sell millions of units.

The only thing left that people can argue is that they are just a few years away from being junk, so that's where you look at ownership updates. And owners who abuse their cars are the best at showing real car longevity and those owners don't seem to be sharing horror stories.

You must have not been reading lately in this website, Toyota has been having so much recalls while Chinese cars none at all. The scale has tipped to the other side. Read more please.

Uhh, buddy, there's something you need to know about Volvo (cars AND buses)....

Should we tell him about who owns Volvo?

Also tell him who is the largest shareholder of Diamler