Did BYD Cars Philippines pull the trigger too quickly with the Tang DM-i? After their three-row plug-in hybrid SUV received LTO homologation (it’s even been spotted nonchalantly parked in BGC), the Chinese New Energy Vehicle brand has come up with the Sealion 8, at least for global markets.
Like the Tang, the Sealion 8 is a three-row, seven-seater SUV and comes either with the DM-i or DM-p powertrain. Both powertrains of the Sealion 8 utilize the next-generation 5.0 platform as well as the same 1.5-liter turbocharged gas engine generator (150 horsepower and 220 Nm), but unlike the Tang DM-i can be had with either a 19 kW or even larger 35.6 kW BYD Blade Battery.
The “entry-level” Sealion 8 DM-i has a purely front-drive setup thanks to a 272 horsepower (200 kW), 315 Nm permanent magnet synchronous electric motor. 0 to 100 km/h is done in 8.6 seconds. On the other hand, the range-topping Sealion DM-p supplements that with a second permanent synchronous motor at the rear axle for an additional 192 horsepower (141 kW) and 360 Nm of torque. In this case, 0 to 100 km/h is done in just 4.9 seconds—quicker than the V8-powered Porsche Cayenne S.
Visually, the Sealion 8 evolves the design language of newer BYD models, while inside, the brand promises an “opulent and thoughtfully designed cabin that features premium materials and accents, brilliant technology, and, lavish amenities.” True enough, heating and cooled massaging seats, for example, is available for the first two rows of seats.
This could be BYD positioning the Sealion 8 DM-i/DM-p as a competitor of the PPVs like the Fortuner, Everest etc. While BYD is positioning the Tang BEV and DM-i as the competitor of the Santa Fe, Sorento, Mazda CX-9 and CX-90, and Ford Explorer.
ReplyDeleteThe Nissan Ariya wheel design made me smile.
ReplyDeleteFaster in a straight line. Go around a corner still goes on a straight line.
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DeleteWe should have our own moose test here in PH. Only saw these tests in Latin Am YT channels
DeleteGood looking and fuel efficient SUV from BYD
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DeleteThis looks like the BYD Tang L. BYD should seriously stop producing copy-paste designs and making entirely new product lines out of them. It cheapens existing BYD vehicles and devalues the BYD brand altogether.
ReplyDeleteFaking its own products
DeleteThat's because this is literally the Tang L. This article just doesn't mention that. It's just renamed differently for other markets it seems.
DeleteWhat about the sea lion 7, when is it coming to the Philippines?
ReplyDeleteBYD and other chinese brands prioritize looks and specs over quality and reliability. What you cant see are the low quality steel, use of low tensile strength steel on critical pointa such as A pillars, paint chipped off easily, low quality parts, unreliable airbags, front axle separating on normal use etc. chinese ncap equivalent is a joke, mired in corruption and faking tests.
ReplyDeleteSo many specific accusations that never seem to make mainstream reporting (Chinese censorship maybe?) though I have seen the passing FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) content from clickbait youtube channels but they never seemed legit to me. Look, I know China sucks but BYD is almost everywhere in the world right now and they are selling buttloads in markets like Mexico and South America so maybe the news are all in Spanish or Portuguese and that is why I never see them. But I have been watching lots of Australian coverage of BYD ownership updates and I don't see these quality complaints from them. Ultimately, the most reliable reports will have to be from BYD owners here in the Philippines and we'll just have to wait until the good or bad news starts being reported (though you may have to wait a while if your standards are reliability in the 5-10 year timescales).
DeleteOn the pipeline is BYD Tang DMi and Denza 9. BYD aims to introduce a new model in the Philippines every other month.
ReplyDeleteBYD is flooding PH with unsold and likely zero mileage cars. No one can verify that these are new cars except BYD and Chinese authorities.
ReplyDeleteAnother chinese car to the philippine market just to fund their ambition in the west philippine sea.
ReplyDeleteDenza the premium brand of byd literally and figuratively in hot seat in Malaysia for numerous burning vehicles. Fact check it
ReplyDeleteNot surprising as china car brands producing cars at breakneck speed, sacrificing quality. Haste makes waste, another concern would be the avalability of parts of old models as they are more focus racing on producing new models.
Deletethe sinophobia.....
ReplyDeleteThe malpractice of BYD was exposed by the chairman of Great Wall Motors
DeleteIt’s CCP and its agents we hate, not the people who are also suffering but silent. Chinese brands colludes with CCP
DeleteChinese brands have to work with the CCP (well the party IS interchangeable with the government so..). I think it's a legal requirement over there if not just an expectation for big businesses.
DeleteAnd labelling the concern of the GWM chairman towards BYD's deep discounts as 'malpractice' seems a bit much. There was no formal investigation (as far as I've read) after those comments and the most the government has done recently is to tell (all) the car companies to 'self-regulate' which is still pretty lazy if you ask me.
Are you implying the CCP will investigate? These same CCP members are the ones benefitting from it. They will start investigating but it will be swept under the rug and you will hear nothing from it later. Remember Chinese cares about “face” and any negative conclusion will not be in the press
DeleteIf we're talking about the price war then no I don't think they will investigate. Or at least they will not admit they have investigated because the public will be curious about the answer. Why? Because I personally think the answer is that the price war is a natural market correction (supply=/=demand). And their government will not want to announce something like that. In another article here it is said that auto manufacturing capacity in China is at 49.5% meaning that they could theoretically double their production if they wanted to. So are they over producing cars? No, and yes (because there is also not enough demand for all the cars). As crazy as it sounds it may just be that they have reached economies of scale so vast that the already cheap cars are actually already overpriced compared to the cost to produce (not to say that they aren't losing money by selling so low). So the companies are left to either burn through their inventory or reduce their production but no one would willingly give up a production line if it keeps their costs low and if others won't do the same. While there may be corruption in their government/party, market forces are market forces and they can only bend the market to their will so far. But that's just my conjecture.
DeleteHow many car brand manufactured, designed, build in the Philippines?
ReplyDeleteWhy all we see are US, EU or Japan made?
Home-grown cars? I think zero. You have local manufacturers for like jeepneys that are innovating somewhat like Francisco Motors but that's as far as I'm aware of.
DeleteWe just don't have the (cost-effective) manufacturing capacity, the skilled-population (you can cite however many talented people you know but they won't be enough to scale a business), nor the government support.
First you'd need massive capital (private plus government support), then you would need years to train the manpower needed for one single factory OR even more money to buy robots to automate production (and still years for the specialists to maintain the robots). Then you'd need the resources. Are you making your own parts? More money for research and multi-year supply contracts for raw materials. Buying parts? License (patents) fees. Do you have enough workers now? Will you have enough workers in 5-10 years? You'll need a feeder university (or mulitple), preferrably local to your factory and/or design center, to source engineers from and you need to pay an internationally competitive wage. And so on. We just don't have the pieces and even if we did it would still take years (on top of getting up and running) to scale capacity to match the prices of mass produced foreign cars. I'd be happy to be proven wrong but it'll stay a dream, maybe forever.
Toyota, Mercedes Benz and BMW has been the top brands in Singapore for many decades. Not anymore. BYD has overtaken all of them in 2024 and expected to double their sales in the country in 2025. Tesla is not far behind. Shift in preference to electrified vehicles that is develop from the ground up. Singaporeans shy away from hybrid vehicles that is develop from an old ICE vehicle platform. To them its akin to buying an old house and refurbish it and sell as brand new.
ReplyDeleteits because singaporean are rich, in rich norway people stop buying ICE.
DeleteSingapore is a unique market where geography is small enough to avoid range anxiety of EVs, plus it can support the EV infrastructure with chargers in parking lots build with govt support. With ownership capped at 10yrs, long term reliability on batteries will not be an issue as well, with well maintained roads. And a lot of Singaporean are Chinese as well.
DeleteThere is no sinophobia. Chinese culture and influence everywhere. That is always the excuse for hating Chinese products. But don't these people who call out sinophobia admit that china is doing a lot of things that make a lot of people get turned off by recent Chinese offerings. US and Japs also did us bad but China is recency bias. They are the bff of North Korea, Russia, Myanmar and other very reputable countries. Not connected to cars but puts a bad taste overall
ReplyDeleteWest ph sea, POGO, illegal drugs, kidnapping, tortures, illegal mining, fake filipino birth certificates, illegal sand mining, illegal business, smuggling, substandard products, its all in the news and all true.
DeleteAll of this could be (and most likely are true) but you overestimate how many Filipinos are patriotic enough to care. People like us commenting online are (and will continue to be) a vocal minority (informed or ill-informed as we are).
DeleteYou can insert politics easily when talking about most products like phones and other gadgets (and frankly most things) that are made in China but they are more easily accepted since they slap a non-chinese company name on the product but a lot of the money still goes to support a country doing/supporting all those nasty things you talk about.
At the end of the day our complaints and protests mean little when we are so deeply intertwined due to global trade. But you would just hobble yourself by paying more for a Japanese car, for example, just because you like the country more (unless it makes you feel good to do so I guess?). They are still greedy corps just like the chinese. Companies are not your friends.
This forum talks about cars, not politicking, nor to abhor China hatred, or China cars hate bitter.
ReplyDeleteSide dish, democracy, freedom of expression, not china censorships.
DeleteThis topic talks about cars, not to politicking, nor to incite China hatred or China cars hate bitter.
ReplyDeleteWhen China heavily subsidize these car companies to gain advantage and use them as propaganda in the state media, they are politizicing the car industry. We are just pushing back their narrative. If Chinese cars dominate the PH market, kill off japanese and korean and starts to use it as a political tool and a spy tool then it is too late
Deletepaki omit ung una comment na may to abhor china hatred, mali word it should be "nor to incite China hatred"
ReplyDeleteWhen will they release the 2025 BYD Tang L EV?
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